# Resolved: America is a dystopian shithole. Also, leopard hijacks
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [August 20, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330 "2025-08-20T17:47:20Z")
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### Author:  [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/1 "2025-08-20T17:47:20Z")
Continuing the discussion from [Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4247):
> [@Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4247):
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> I never said that the people in America deserve to live in a dystopian shithole, only that America **is** a dystopian shithole and that I am planning to emigrate.
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> Here is what I believe:
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> 1. America is a fascist nation
> 2. America chose fascism
> 3. Countries that choose fascism are pretty awful places and were pretty flawed prior to choosing fascism
> 4. Given that America is a fascist country, I’d rather it collapse, as I’d rather America be a weak fascist nation, than a strong fascist nation. I also think that collapse is probably inevitable at this point
> 5. Just like the Soviet Union, America is premised on an inherently flawed economic/political model (radical crony communism for the USSR; radical crony capitalism for the USA) that is unsustainable
> 6. This collapse is bad for me personally and for other Americans, but I think that the well being of humanity is more important than the well being of America or me (although, since I care about my well being, I am building a house in another country and hope to GTFO). Also, I think that we are well past the point of preventing this collapse.
> 7. The people triggered by the above views are as much a part of the problem as the so called Leopard Face Eating Party voters; you have bought in to a false vision of America that is every bit as delusional as the MAGA crowd and have been complacent for decades about how deeply fucked up America is.
> 8. This complacency has allowed us to get to this point.
I have no problem with madmonk expressing this perception, I just think he’s doing it in the wrong thread.
Also, there’s no shame in exploring the possibility of emigration and not carrying it out. Those who attack madmonk28 in a year or five for not emigrating or the opposite are being assholes in my view. It’s a big project and madmonk28 has explicitly said that he’s not sure he can pull it off.
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/2 "2025-08-20T18:16:34Z")
Great for him. I’ve been wanting to emigrate for a few years, too. Planning it somewhat seriously. My main obstacle is the lack of a reliable income source once I go.
So if he can do it, great, and millions of others ought to too.
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/3 "2025-08-20T18:21:54Z")
May I also say, we’ve all read about people who said “of Trump succeeds I give up, I’m moving to [wherever; Canada used to be a common choice]”. Well, good to see someone putting their money where their mouth is, as it were.
As for accelerationism, OTOH, that bit I’m not too fond of. Because it will hurt more those who can’t leave or insulate themselves. Sure, the system as is needs _replacing_, not merely adjusting. But do we really have no option other than a hard crash with severe pain for everyone?
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### Author:  [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/4 "2025-08-20T18:22:11Z")
Yes, MAGA’s opposition should give up trying to turn things around, emigrate, and leave the unfortunate who lack resources to fend for themselves. It’s the brave thing to do.
[ ](http://www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/run-away_monty-python.png)
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### Author:  [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/5 "2025-08-20T18:25:22Z")
Well, there’s the debate: as I’ve repeatedly stated here, I’ve got a good, relatively stable job and a mortgage on a place I like living. At what point is it my “moral duty” to swallow the personal cost, basically upend my entire life, and put my political beliefs into action, especially _before_ it affects me personally (acknowledging that it may well be too late by the time it does)?
It’s not an easy discussion to have or choice to make, at least not for me. So no “ought” for me, unless I’m just being totally blind.
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### Author:  [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/6 "2025-08-20T18:27:06Z")
I think this is my very first pit thread. I’m as surprised as you all are that it has taken that long.
I want to say that I find it odd that I was accused of being insensitive to the suffering of Americans in a thread explicitly created to celebrate the suffering of Americans.
Having said that, I don’t think I’m insensitive to Americans suffering, there’s just not much I can do about it.
My plan is to build a house in another country. I’ve picked the lot and the contractor. I also have to obtain some permits to purchase land as a foreigner; this has taken longer than I hoped, but is now moving. We own a house and a small cabin. Our plan is to sell the house next spring and move into the small cabin while the house is being built. My fear is that we will not be done before it is too late.
I don’t want to get in to the where right now. I’ve also got to figure out the dog, he’s very high stress and I’ve shipped a dog internationally before and it is rough on them. If he can’t go, I can’t go, it’s as simple as that. We also have a cat that I think can sleep in a carrier in the cabin.
We’re not rich, but because DOGE destroyed my life’s work, I need to sell the house anyway and I don’t see the point in staying in a country that hates me.
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### Author:  [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/7 "2025-08-20T18:51:13Z")
Good for @madmonk28. I sincerely hope it works out.
I’m not leaving this country. Ever.
I cannot think of one place on this earth that could meet _my_ needs any better than the USA.
I’m sure there are very nice places. But I’d rather be here in my nice place.
You know it is bad allover the world. The earth, the _whole_ earth is in crisis. Not just here.
But, as I said good luck in your endeavor.
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### Author:  [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/8 "2025-08-20T18:51:47Z")
I have a feeling you’re leaving out some of the sentiments most folks were arguing against in the other thread…
> [@Beckdawrek](#):
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> I’m not leaving this country. Ever.
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> I cannot think of one place on this earth that could meet _my_ needs any better than the USA.
Well, that’s the issue: there are a whole lot of people who think that there’ll inevitably be a point where the country _stops_ meeting your needs and starts being actively dangerous to your continued health and wellbeing. For some, it’s now.
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### Author:  [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/9 "2025-08-20T19:07:07Z")
Legit point.
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### Author:  [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/10 "2025-08-20T19:07:37Z")
> [@Leaper](#):
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> I have a feeling you’re leaving out some of the sentiments most folks were arguing against in the other thread…
Which are what? The op states my opinion that the US is close to collapse and I think that is probably a good thing. I lived in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union, first under Yelstsin and then Putin and the state of the US reminds me of that time. A Certain segment of Russians were absolutely bewildered by the collapse of the USSR and were convinced it was a force of good. They could not wrap their heads around the idea that it wasn’t and were furious at those who did.
I see that same anger and hate in America, MAGA will never let go of their hate and they will do their best to punish those who they see as the enemy. I think the best thing for the world is for America to implode rather than explode. I don’t see any scenario where the country suddenly comes to its senses.
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### Author:  [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/11 "2025-08-20T19:10:18Z")
I’m gonna let the actual people involved answer your question; I didn’t even know what was going on in that thread until just now. I just did a skim because of the link.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/12 "2025-08-20T19:11:54Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#):
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> Yes, MAGA’s opposition should give up trying to turn things around, emigrate, and leave the unfortunate who lack resources to fend for themselves. It’s the brave thing to do.
By the same logic, my ancestors should have remained in their corrupt and impoverished countries and fought for change. After all, how did their leaving help their fellow countrymen?
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### Author:  [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/13 "2025-08-20T19:14:40Z")
When Trump and Putin(or whoever he pisses off next) start Tossing nuclear weapons. We’re all cooked.
No where will be safe.
When the big superstorm engulfs us all, there will be no safety, anywhere.
When asteroids start falling, where you gonna hide?
Sometimes you have to look danger in the face and deal with it.
If it’s ideology you’re having issue with, I can’t help you. That starts at home. Where ever homemay be. You’ll fight it wherever you go.
The nasty hate-filled people are everywhere. You’ll not escape that. Unless you buy a private island.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/14 "2025-08-20T19:16:05Z")
In some cultures, nasty, hate-filled people are isolated and shamed. In others, they are given weapons and authority. There is a difference.
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### Author:  [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/15 "2025-08-20T19:19:33Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#):
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> By the same logic, my ancestors should have remained in their corrupt and impoverished countries and fought for change. After all, how did their leaving help their fellow countrymen?
Somehow that’s different, but no one has articulated why.
Continuing my comparison to the USSR, there was a period when Gorbachev was trying to reform it that some of the people in his inner circle realized that it wasn’t fixable, that the whole system was completely unsustainable and would never work. That’s the conclusion that I have reached about the US. Troops are being deployed in the capital and no one is even batting an eye, there should be thousands in the streets, mass work stoppages, and rage. There were dumb jokes about sandwiches.
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### Author:  [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/16 "2025-08-20T19:19:49Z")
We can’t isolate people for their opinion. Not here.
What kind of isolation do you mean?
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### Author:  [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/17 "2025-08-20T19:24:14Z")
You’re ridiculous, @madmonk28.
That crap goes on in every country.
I imagine sandwiches have been thrown at public folks as long as there have been sandwiches. Heck, they throw shoes in some countries.
Get over this obsession. Go. If your gonna go, _go._
No one will block your path. From here. I’m sure there are barriers in loads of places. Just _Go_, for God’s sake.
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### Author:  [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/18 "2025-08-20T19:27:26Z")
The big difference, of course, is that those who do flee Trumpism (as opposed to just bloviating about it) will be people with elite skills and/or sufficient money to be accepted in other countries. The impoverished and oppressed will be stuck here.
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### Author:  [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/19 "2025-08-20T19:28:06Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#):
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> We can’t isolate people for their opinion. Not here.
Of course we can. We can’t put them in jail (yet) but we can stop listening to them, stop giving them our attention, stop engaging with them. I mean, theoretically. In reality, the stupider the opinion the bigger their engagement.
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### Author:  [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2025, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-also-leopard-hijacks/1022330/20 "2025-08-20T19:30:29Z")
That why I asked what type of isolation.
You express an opinion outloud, you’ll get push back from someone, always.
You can still have your opinion.
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