# RESOLVED: Barack Hussein Obama is an American citizen. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 15, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411 "2011-02-15T03:55:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/21 "2011-02-15T15:49:01Z")
If you were thinking what I was thinking, then he could solve the problem by whipping it out … his long form certificate, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/22 "2011-02-15T16:03:32Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Every four years the U.S.A. holds a national test of intelligence and sanity. The [results from 2008](http://rvclearance.com/digital/2008-presidential-election-results.jpg) follow the typical pattern; here states where 50% or more of the participating adult population failed the test are shown in Red. With only a few exceptions, you can see that states with a majority of sane, intelligent people adjoin large bodies of water. When traveling between the saner regions, many Americans like to fly over the intervening regions quickly, in case stupidity is contagious. Absolutely correct. Even the FAA is in on this. FAR 17-15-33 Use of flush toilets on commercial aircraft. No airliner shall be allowed to flush waste material from the holding tank except when flying at or above 35,000 feet within the boundary of a “red” state. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/23 "2011-02-15T16:41:59Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > People who live on the coasts of the US use it to deride people who live in the middle as backward hicks. It’s usually “flyover states”, though. Actually, they don’t and never did. It was people who lived in the middle of the country who claimed that the people in the coasts used it. You’ll note that those who use the term are all people who live in the central US. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/24 "2011-02-15T16:59:55Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Actually, they don’t and never did. It was people who lived in the middle of the country who claimed that the people in the coasts used it. You’ll note that those who use the term are all people who live in the central US. Um, hello, it’s in the freaking OP of this very thread. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/25 "2011-02-15T17:36:10Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > Um, hello, it’s in the freaking OP of this very thread. Considering that the OP used the term incorrectly as well as mostly tongue-in-cheek, I don’t think that’s very accurate. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/26 "2011-02-15T17:38:24Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > In fact, since Obama has not been naturalised, he can only be a citizen if he is a natural-born citizen. If he had been born outside the U.S., he would not be a natural-born citizen: his father was not a citizen, and his mother was too young. > > (This, of course, is purely hypothetical, since there is conclusive evidence that he was born in Hawaii, which at the time was a state of the United States, but it’s the reason why the Birthers have gone on with their nonsense so long.) I’m not interested in this question; we are stuck with this guy for 2 more years. But I do have a question: if there is a birth certificate (proving he was born in the USA), why can’t anyone seem to find it?:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/27 "2011-02-15T17:41:38Z")
There is a birth certificate. Google it. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/28 "2011-02-15T17:42:53Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > But I do have a question: if there is a birth certificate (proving he was born in the USA), why can’t anyone seem to find it?:smack: You mean [this one](http://fightthesmears.com/images/28.jpg)? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/29 "2011-02-15T17:45:01Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Resolved: Opening a discussion with “Resolved:” just looks stupid, I don’t care how much historical precedent it has. I concur. I yield the rest of my post to the gentleman from Minnesota. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/30 "2011-02-15T19:33:10Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Every four years the U.S.A. holds a national test of intelligence and sanity. The [results from 2008](http://rvclearance.com/digital/2008-presidential-election-results.jpg) follow the typical pattern; here states where 50% or more of the participating adult population failed the test are shown in Red. With only a few exceptions, you can see that states with a majority of sane, intelligent people adjoin large bodies of water. When traveling between the saner regions, many Americans like to fly over the intervening regions quickly, in case stupidity is contagious. **Moderator Note** : Let’s try to keep insults out of this thread. While it’s clear enough that no specific Doper is the target here, we have plenty of conservative and/or “red” state inhabitants that deriding all of them is uncalled for. No warning issued. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/31 "2011-02-15T19:34:26Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Absolutely correct. Even the FAA is in on this. > > FAR 17-15-33 > Use of flush toilets on commercial aircraft. > No airliner shall be allowed to flush waste material from the holding tank except when flying at or above 35,000 feet within the boundary of a “red” state. **Moderator Note:** And you too. See my note to **Septimus** above. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/32 "2011-02-15T19:37:56Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Actually, they don’t and never did. It was people who lived in the middle of the country who claimed that the people in the coasts used it. You’ll note that those who use the term are all people who live in the central US. [Not moderating] I don’t think this is true. I’ve often heard it used in L.A. It isn’t necessarily derisive; sometimes it’s just a neutral term to denote the geographical reality of living in or visiting small towns in the rural sections. ---
**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/33 "2011-02-16T02:39:44Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > Resolved: saying mocking things about people who live in “flyover counties” is a dick move. Especially when many of us in flyover country never doubted Obama’s birth anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/34 "2011-02-16T03:09:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Either Obama is an American citizen, or he’s a Kenyan with a time machine. To be honest, I’d move for a Constitutional Amendment that we can vote for any Kenyan with a time machine. ---
**Author:** ![Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7993a0/32.png) [@Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamaika_a_jamaikaiake)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/35 "2011-02-16T03:38:04Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Actually, they don’t and never did. It was people who lived in the middle of the country who claimed that the people in the coasts used it. You’ll note that those who use the term are all people who live in the central US. My experience is precisely the opposite of yours. I had never heard the term until I moved from the Midwest to the East coast. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/36 "2011-02-16T03:58:53Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Actually, they don’t and never did. It was people who lived in the middle of the country who claimed that the people in the coasts used it. You’ll note that those who use the term are all people who live in the central US. Huh. Interesting. This is not my experience at all (especially since I first learned the term from a New Yorker). And, apparently, Chicago counts as “flyover country” to at least a few Los Angelinos and New Yorkers that I know. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/37 "2011-02-16T04:13:19Z")
:rolleyes: I meant _“flyover counties.”_ I am an inhabitant of them and have been for a rather long time, but this is not the case for all of my history. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/38 "2011-02-16T04:26:11Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > :rolleyes: > > I meant _“flyover counties.”_ I am an inhabitant of them and have been for a rather long time, but this is not the case for all of my history. I don’t think I’ve ever heard “flyover counties.” But, regardless, is there really any difference between “flyover counties” and “flyover country” in what is meant? ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/39 "2011-02-16T04:29:56Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I don’t think I’ve ever heard “flyover counties.” But, regardless, is there really any difference between “flyover counties” and “flyover country” in what is meant? More piecemeal. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411/40 "2011-02-16T04:33:43Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I concur. > > I yield the rest of my post to the gentleman from Minnesota. Don’t blame _me._ Blame the Brits. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-barack-hussein-obama-is-an-american-citizen/571411.md?page=3)