Exactly.
Apparently, the status quo is acceptable to you.
That’s some plan you got there, Butch.
I don’t see a problem, Sundance. If anything, there are too many useless laws out there anyway.
Let me rephrase that… The problem isn’t a lack of laws, it is the lack of laws being followed by criminals and a lack of law enforcement enforcing said laws.
We banned the illegal sale of narcotics.
How’s that working out?
What kind of Bizarro logic is that? Banning narcotics is equal to not banning guns, how?
I am not comparing the banning of the item (gun/narcotic). I am comparing the illegal sale of the item.
Forget that many narcotics are illegal (w/o a prescription). The SALE of the narcotic is illegal as well. It doesn’t seem to have stopped the creation of a vast distribution system full of illegal sales and purchases.
If your theory worked, the drug supply would have withered and disappeared by now, since the illegal sale of them has been law for decades. How do people find drugs, if the sale of them is banned?
Confiscation of Registered Guns in New Orleans
How loony is it?
I’ve never heard of somebody being (genuinely) addicted to handguns.
Pardon me, where on this dime bag do I find the serial number, the one registered to the ATF so they can track down the one who made the illegal SALE?
The medicinal marijuana will have a prescription, as will the methadone and oxycontin. The ones that are illegal will not.
Just like guns.
Sundance, are you going to respond to my points about registration leading to confiscation, or just keep on the drug thing?
You made a claim to that effect, but I fail to see how what is taking place in NO has to do with the broader issue of registration and confiscation. I don’t buy it.
For the record, I am against banning guns. I am against confiscating guns. I am in favor of strict registration of guns. I don’t see any inconsistency in those postitions.
Disagree. A far larger number of people were made homeless by the Asian tsunami, yet I don’t remember any reports of lawlessness hindering aid operations.
Guns were registered by law abiding folks, now they are being confiscated, what part of that is not relevant?
I couldn’t care less whether you are being inconsistent or not. You attempted to smear those who link registration with confiscation. I provided a cite, from today’s news stating exactly that. Police going door to door with lists of gunowners, law abiding gunowners by the way, forcing them to turn over their firearms. THIS is what happens when guns are registered, one does not need to be “LOONY” (your word) to see the truth.
Your plan sucks. It stops no crimes from being commited, places lists of gun owners at the fingertips of any “well meaning” authorities, and makes buying or selling a gun a royal pain in the ass. Do you even know how guns are tracked today?
To tell you the truth, what is happening in NOLA right now will cause NRA membership to swell. Specific example of what happens when you allow your guns to be registered.
If I believed, or could be convinced, that gun registration would never lead to confiscation or banning, I might consider it. But since there is no evidence that registration would lead to less crime, I would have to consider it again.
I also think that many pro-control/registration folks think that anything is better than nothing. Just one more law.
I also think that a good portion (not all) of the gun control folks, people that typically know nothing about guns, end up voting for anything that restricts gun ownership.
The AWB and BMG ban demonstrates this. Chicago and DC’s ban are also good examples of how this gets pushed through.
So tell me, did they only confiscate guns from people who registered them, or did they pretty much take all of them? To hear you tell it, the criminals got to keep theirs.
You know, the gun confiscators hardly have to register guns to know where to find them all. All the need to do is seize all the NRA records, and they can bust down the doors of 6 million gun owners. No bureaucracy needed. How’s it feel to do the evil wicked government’s work for them?
What difference does that make. Legal gun owners have had their LEGAL property siezed.
Grasping at straws now are we? Defend your idea not your strawman.
Looks like we are not going anywhere in this debate. Here is an interesting thought one of my friends came up with: Good thing we have criminals…if we didn’t tens of thousands of police would be out of a job.
Well, since you were the one who argued that the confiscation was a direct result of registration, my point pretty much lets the air out of that canard. I know you don’t like the confiscation in NO, but I see no connection to registration.
Many people that are for registration are also for outright banning. That’s what happened in Chicago.
Violent Crimes per 100,000
Chicago – 1630
Houston – 1119
The only thing we know for sure is that registration will put a burden on honest gun owners, it will create a massive Bureaucracy, and it has led to banning in the past.
That’s it.
With that knowledge, it’s hard for me to believe that many, if not most gun control advocates are either completely uninformed, or have a (not so) hidden agenda.