# Resolved: John McCain does not have the integrity to be President **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 11, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-john-mccain-does-not-have-the-integrity-to-be-president/463149 "2008-09-11T20:18:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-john-mccain-does-not-have-the-integrity-to-be-president/463149/181 "2008-09-16T19:00:50Z")
Thanks to **Hentor the Barbarian** for calling my attention to this. . . > [@McCain/Palin: Lying Far Beyond the Palin](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-palin-lying-far-beyond-the-palin/463114/26): > > Holy crap! Richard Cohen has taken a flying leap off of the Straight Talk Express: > > [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/15/AR2008091502406.html?hpid=opinionsbox1](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/15/AR2008091502406.html?hpid=opinionsbox1) > > This is a guy who admits to having been in the tank for McCain, but now he spares no words in calling him disgraceful. From that linked article: > [@Richard Cohen](#): > > . . .Now he has broken that promise so completely that the John McCain of old is unrecognizable. \*\*He has become the sort of politician he once despised. > > . . . > > McCain has turned ugly.\*\* His dishonesty would be unacceptable in any politician, but McCain has always set his own bar higher than most. He has contempt for most of his colleagues for that very reason: They lie. He tells the truth. He internalizes the code of the McCains – his grandfather, his father: both admirals of the shining sea. He serves his country differently, that’s all – but just as honorably. No more, though. > > **I am one of the journalists accused over the years of being in the tank for McCain. Guilty**. Those doing the accusing usually attributed my feelings to McCain being accessible. This is the journalist-as-puppy school of thought: Give us a treat, and we will leap into a politician’s lap. > > Not so. What impressed me most about McCain was the effect he had on his audiences, particularly young people. When he talked about service to a cause greater than oneself, he struck a chord. He expressed his message in words, but he packaged it in the McCain story – that man, beaten to a pulp, who chose honor over freedom. This had nothing to do with access. \*\*It had to do with integrity. > > McCain has soiled all that\*\*. His opportunistic and irresponsible choice of Sarah Palin as his political heir – the person in whose hands he would leave the country – \*\*is a form of personal treason, a betrayal of all he once stood for. \*\*Palin, no matter what her other attributes, is shockingly unprepared to become president. McCain knows that. He means to win, which is all right; he means to win at all costs, which is not. > > . . . > > \*\*And so McCain lied about his lying \*\*and maybe thinks that if he wins the election, he can – as he did in South Carolina – renounce who he was and what he did and resume his old persona. It won’t work. Karl Marx got one thing right – what he said about history repeating itself. **Once is tragedy, a second time is farce. John McCain is both.** Thank you, Mr. Cohen. People like you, David Frum and Andrew Sullivan have renewed a little of my faith. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-john-mccain-does-not-have-the-integrity-to-be-president/463149/182 "2008-09-16T19:25:52Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > No, John McCain chose his party over the man he had not only served with, but had traveled with to Viet Nam and had worked with on veterans issues. The John McCain I used to respect would have damned the Swift Boat campaign. Why? What everyone overlooks about the Swift Boat guys is that they were all telling the truth. And for that, they have been roundly damned. Why? Because Kerry was a liberal. If he had been a conservative, you would have sung the praises of the Swift Boat people to the skies. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-john-mccain-does-not-have-the-integrity-to-be-president/463149/183 "2008-09-16T19:32:52Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > What everyone overlooks about the Swift Boat guys is that they were all telling the truth. Everyone? Really? I guess that includes your guy, John McCain, then? Even **Harborwolf** linked to an article above that quotes McCain saying the Swift Boat smears were “dishonest and dishonorable”. You guys really need to learn to keep your stories straight. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-john-mccain-does-not-have-the-integrity-to-be-president/463149/184 "2008-09-16T19:38:57Z")
Why, of course! Its because liberals are _hypocrites_! What an _insight_. Rest now, **Clothahump** , we’ll call you if we need more original observations. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-john-mccain-does-not-have-the-integrity-to-be-president/463149/185 "2008-09-17T15:02:41Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Umm… isn’t advising the President on national security the job of the National Security Advisor(s)? So as long as there’s a decent NSA, it’s not a problem. One could equally make your claim about the treasury, or veterans, or many other areas. > > So really, there’s absolutely no cause for complaint. That is a ridiculous, partisan position. Of course it matters. There’s a giant difference between being pig-ignorant about something and having a firm grasp of an important area that can be fleshed out by experts. And it sure as hell would be mattering aplenty if she had been the Dem VP choice. Voting for an ignorant-know-nothing on the grounds that he might pick good advisers hasn’t exactly worked out well for the last 8 years has it. All it proved, at best, was that ignorant shills are easily manipulated by advisers and Veeps with agendas. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-john-mccain-does-not-have-the-integrity-to-be-president/463149.md?page=9)