# Responses to a straight, white male complaining on these message boards. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754 "2014-03-03T15:01:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/81 "2014-03-04T19:32:33Z")
As a gay white male, middle class, born in the USA, etc, I just want to thank the OP for starting this thread and this discussion. I think it’s silly to feel persecuted, discriminated against, etc, for being a man, but I think it’s important to have this conversation. I roll my eyes at all the stupid male stereotypes/tropes in comedies and commercials, but there are plenty of neative female stereotypes as well. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/82 "2014-03-04T19:56:54Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > As it happens, just after reading your post I turned on the TV and saw the end of an episode of _The Avengers_. Steed was facing a firing squad; Mrs. Peel beat up two men, escaped from a prison cell, got hold of a machine gun and saved Steed in the nick of time. In the scene before the closing credits, she was fixing his car. While men may be over-represented in sheer numbers, when women are shown it seems to be much more likely that it’s in a positive light. If I told you that one of the villains was also a woman, would that make things better or worse? > > This may be changing. I’ve seen promos for _The Real Housewives of_ whatever; never watched the shows but the ads don’t make them seem very flattering. It’s more women in the media, though, so is that a good thing? > > In general, though. I think your replies to me are an example of what the OP was getting at. I’m old enough to remember when people were very critical of the way women were portrayed in commercials. (Being mortified when someone commented on her husband’s “ring around the collar” and such.) Those criticisms were taken seriously and you don’t see those sorts of commercials anymore. When I make a similar comment about how men are shown, it’s essentially dismissed. You seem to be saying that we should invest energy in making sure women and men are equally represented in ninny roles. I’m saying that we should invest energy in making sure women and men are equally represented in _all_ roles. Because that’s the more serious issue. I’m not dismissing your complaint as much as I’m trying to direct your attention to the more salient problem. Addressing this problem will solve the other. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/83 "2014-03-04T20:25:51Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > You seem to be saying that we should invest energy in making sure women and men are equally represented in ninny roles. That’s not entirely what I’m getting at. I’d prefer to see fewer ninny roles in general. At best, I’d like to see some awareness of the stereotype; attention and promotion of positive male role models just have there has been for women. And when you say that your issue is “more serious” and “more salient”, you really are dismissing me. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/84 "2014-03-04T20:50:38Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Apart from the cultural impact of such images, it also shows how much women control purchasing decisions within families. I think this - or rather what’s right behind it - is where this conversation is always going to break down. The difference between a “positive” cultural assumption and a “negative” cultural assumption is so subjective that even if everyone agreed on what the phenomenon was, which almost nobody does at any rate, there’d still be tremendous controversy over whether that was an example of pro-these or pro-those or anti-those or reverse anti-those bias. Why would a starring role by a male bumbler demonstrate that women control purchasing decisions? Because that’s the target demographic for the ad? And because they enjoy watching men portrayed negatively? This seems like a fairly difficult position to substantiate, and fairly rife with assumptions that not everyone’s going to be on board with. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/85 "2014-03-04T20:52:53Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Go into any thread about abortion, and odds are good you’ll find him there expounding on his view that people who are pro-life take that position solely and entirely because of a deep and pervasive hatred of women, and desire to see them stripped of their basic rights. About half of the country is pro-life, and opposition to abortion is the central tent pole of one of the two dominant political parties in this country. How can it be that, according to **Der Trihs** , half the country is deeply, fundamentally misogynist, and yet women are more still somehow more priviledged than men? Because they don’t have the power to turn America into a Christian version of Afghanistan under the Taliban like they’d prefer to. Give them that power and America would probably look like a real world version of _A Handmaid’s Tale._ And I personally would probably be dead. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/86 "2014-03-04T21:18:36Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I think this - or rather what’s right behind it - is where this conversation is always going to break down. The difference between a “positive” cultural assumption and a “negative” cultural assumption is so subjective that even if everyone agreed on what the phenomenon was, which almost nobody does at any rate, there’d still be tremendous controversy over whether that was an example of pro-these or pro-those or anti-those or reverse anti-those bias. > > Why would a starring role by a male bumbler demonstrate that women control purchasing decisions? Because that’s the target demographic for the ad? And because they enjoy watching men portrayed negatively? This seems like a fairly difficult position to substantiate, and fairly rife with assumptions that not everyone’s going to be on board with. I didn’t pull my statement completely out of thin air. [When It Comes To Spending Decisions, Women Are In Control](http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/newswire/2011/when-it-comes-to-spending-decisions-women-are-in-control.html) [Women Influencing More Purchase Decisions](http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/166417/women-influencing-more-purchase-decisions.html) [The top 30 stats you need to know when marketing to women](http://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2012/01/24/the-top-30-stats-you-need-to-know-when-marketing-to-women/#!yoyvw) ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/87 "2014-03-04T21:19:41Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > That’s not entirely what I’m getting at. I’d prefer to see fewer ninny roles in general. At best, I’d like to see some awareness of the stereotype; attention and promotion of positive male role models just have there has been for women. > > And when you say that your issue is “more serious” and “more salient”, you really are dismissing me. Alright. I’m dismissing your complaint. I’ll be frank: I don’t see why men being made into buffoons is a serious problem. Not when I can turn on almost any TV show and see them NOT being buffoonish. For every buffoon, there are a hundred heroic, intelligent, non-buffoon characters to choose from. As I stated earlier, people aren’t designed to have unlimited sympathy/empathy for every issue or complaint that comes up. Believe me, I don’t have sympathy/empathy for every single complaint that comes up from _my_ side either. (Like the Google Doodle complaints are completely eye-rolly to me). It’s not enough to say, “This group is overrepresented as X” to make it worthy of discourse. Not when other groups have a longer list of much more serious complaints, and they have yet to be adequately addressed. I don’t like seeing men always being portrayed as stupid either. But the messaging that I interpret from commercials that employ this device isn’t that men are stupid. It’s that women need to buy whatever it is that’s being advertised so that the boys can go outside and play like they’re supposed to do. Or I interpret that men can be full of childlike wonder and have adventures and do fun crazy things, but not women. We’re stern and boring and not supposed to have fun. When I see Peter Griffin acting a fool, I don’t see a man acting like a fool. I see a man having fun. I’d love to watch a cartoon about a “family woman” having fun. So the limited place that women occupy on the big and little screen is what I think about when I hear your complaint. This is why when you put the focus on men, I can’t make myself care that much. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/88 "2014-03-04T21:41:17Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Sheesh, it’s like nobody on the Dope ever read [this article.](http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/straight-white-male-the-lowest-difficulty-setting-there-is/) > > Which, I know isn’t true, btw. I first learned about the article at the SDMB. > > ETA: not that the article isn’t true. What isn’t true is that no other Dopers have read it. While I always have agreed with that article, I have the same issue with shutting down the complaints of privileged classes as I do with “first world problems”. When you take that to its logical conclusion, nobody can complain about anything because, hey, the Holocaust happened. It’s a bit ridiculous. People have valid complaints, and unless you’re currently deciding which charity to send your money do it doesn’t strike me as productive to tell people to sit down and shut up if you don’t deem their problems as important. We all have bad experiences and societal pressures negatively affecting us, playing the oppression olympics just hinders discussion. Now, yes, you’re definitely kind of a jerk if you go into a feminist thread to complain about how white males are so much more oppressed, and you deserve a little bit of chastising if you’re actively trying to derail a conversation to focus on the “more important” men’s issues. However, simply pointing out double standards that negatively affect men shouldn’t be met with “oooooh poor baby”. Hell, if anything, it enforces the stereotype that men should be tough and not complain, which is anti-feminist in itself since it upholds hyper-masuline/patriarchal ideals. > [@Strassia](#): > > The problem with these examples is that while they are real issues that affect some men, it is not women doing it to men. It is a power structure largely controlled by other men. They are by-products of patriarchy. > > -Abused men are considered unmanly and reduced to the status of women. For years domestic abuse of women was not considered a problem. That has changed, but the disregard for men who are considered feminized lingers. > -Men are treated more harshly because women are considered non-actors. In most cases this works against the women, but in criminal justice it works in their favor. > -Men are discriminated against in divorce in two ways: Monetarily and child custody. The money issue comes down to the assumption that men are bread winners. The custody issue is due to the women as default care giver. > > The only one I really take issue with is the man bashing. An important thing in comedy is to always hit up, not down. Mock the powerful, not the weak. No matter how powerless you or I may be as individuals, **all else being equal,** a man has more privileged than a woman. Right, but reframing the issue should be something to bring people together on a common issue, **not** shut them down or tell them their complaints are invalid. All too often I see it phrased as “don’t you see how this REALLY hurts women and not men?” Why not just leave it as “hey, I’m against that too! In fact, it negatively affects both of us!” It’s certainly true that societal norms marginalize men, and yes, it can almost always be viewed through an alternative lens showing how it also negatively affects (or stems from a negative perception about) women. That doesn’t mean people are wrong if they want to view it through a certain lens. And as for the comedy, I kind of agree, but I can say that it gets tiring in my family. My mom’s family is 5 (well, 4 now) sisters. The level of abuse heaped on all the men in the family is kind of exhausting. Now, it’s all meant in good fun, but when family get-togethers are half a day where 80% of the humor is “knock the husbands down a peg” it does get kind of old and depressing. > [@monstro](#): > > I don’t like seeing men always being portrayed as stupid either. But the messaging that I interpret from commercials that employ this device isn’t that men are stupid. It’s that women need to buy whatever it is that’s being advertised so that the boys can go outside and play like they’re supposed to do. Or I interpret that men can be full of childlike wonder and have adventures and do fun crazy things, but not women. We’re stern and boring and not supposed to have fun. When I see Peter Griffin acting a fool, I don’t see a man acting like a fool. I see a man having fun. I’d love to watch a cartoon about a “family woman” having fun. > > So the limited place that women occupy on the big and little screen is what I think about when I hear your complaint. This is why when you put the focus on men, I can’t make myself care that much. Huh, we have completely different reasoning but the same conclusion. The way I always saw The Joke™ is that “everyone knows women aren’t REALLY smart and in charge, so we’re subverting your expectations by making the MAN a bumbling buffoon and the woman the one running things. Isn’t that silly?” ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/89 "2014-03-04T21:48:03Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > This is why when you put the focus on men, I can’t make myself care that much. As a woman you care for women’s problems, but for me and many men men’s problems take a definite priority. Fortunately many men and some women are empathetic to the issues I have mentioned above: – Abused men do not get equal legal protection. – Men are treated more harshly by the legal system. – Male bashing is rampant, similar bashing would not be acceptable toward any other birth group. – Men are discriminated in divorce cases. We have freedom to care primarily about our issues and to express these issues. I have no problem with people not caring about these issues – every one has a right to care and not care for issues close to them. The only problem is when someone tries to stop others from discussing the issues by personal attacks and even stalking. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/90 "2014-03-04T21:53:01Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > Now, yes, you’re definitely kind of a jerk if you go into a feminist thread to complain about how white males are so much more oppressed, and you deserve a little bit of chastising if you’re actively trying to derail a conversation to focus on the “more important” men’s issues. I agree 100%. As a libertarian I believe that everyone is entitled to their views and a space to express them. Maybe both sides are right – to everyone their problems are the most important ones. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/91 "2014-03-04T22:02:06Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > As a woman you care for women’s problems, but for me and many men men’s problems take a definite priority. Fortunately many men and some women are empathetic to the issues I have mentioned above: > > – Abused men do not get equal legal protection. > – Men are treated more harshly by the legal system. > – Male bashing is rampant, similar bashing would not be acceptable toward any other birth group. > – Men are discriminated in divorce cases. > > We have freedom to care primarily about our issues and to express these issues. > > I have no problem with people not caring about these issues – every one has a right to care and not care for issues close to them. > > The only problem is when someone tries to stop others from discussing the issues by personal attacks and even stalking. It would be nice if you asked me how I felt about these issues before implying that I don’t care about them. If you go back, you’ll see that I was addressing **Robot’s** complaint about examples of male stupidity in the media. Which, I hope you agree, is a lot more trivial than the issues you’ve listed. (I would also add male sexual assault to your list. Especially wrt the military. Sexual assault in the military has been framed as a “woman’s” issue, and this makes sense since women are disproportionately affected. But IIRC, males comprise half of the victims.) ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/92 "2014-03-04T22:44:47Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I didn’t pull my statement completely out of thin air. > > [When It Comes To Spending Decisions, Women Are In Control](http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/newswire/2011/when-it-comes-to-spending-decisions-women-are-in-control.html) > [Women Influencing More Purchase Decisions](http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/166417/women-influencing-more-purchase-decisions.html) > [The top 30 stats you need to know when marketing to women](http://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2012/01/24/the-top-30-stats-you-need-to-know-when-marketing-to-women/#!yoyvw) I never suggested that you had. I asked why a bumbling male demonstrates that it’s the case. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/93 "2014-03-05T00:08:58Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > As a gay white male, middle class, born in the USA, etc, I just want to thank the OP for starting this thread and this discussion. I think it’s silly to feel persecuted, discriminated against, etc, for being a man, but I think it’s important to have this conversation. > > I roll my eyes at all the stupid male stereotypes/tropes in comedies and commercials, but there are plenty of neative female stereotypes as well. Thank you. Like I said, I don’t think I should have included “straight” in my post, as I really don’t know of any injustice issues for straight people. I’m on my phone so I can’t really address the posts here… but there are some really interesting posts her! Learning a lot. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/94 "2014-03-05T01:56:53Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > I haven’t found one specific example of problems only straight, white men have. Just preemptive whining… > > There are plenty of valid problems they might have–but those problems cross the lines of gender, race, ethnicity & sexual orientation. I think that’s the point. Straight white men can have the same problems other groups have. It’s not fair to just assume none of them do. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/95 "2014-03-05T02:00:37Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And third, your argument demonstrates how the concept “privilege” is used mostly for justifying hatred and dehumanization. If someone is starving or sick or unjustly in prison or dead you can handwave away any obligation to feel any concern or compassion by saying “Oh, they’re privileged”, which instantly relegates him or her to the status of a subhuman. Yes. Judging any individual by their membership in a group - white, male, black, female, whatever - is wrong, unfair and dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![sunstone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunstone/32/3372_2.png) [@sunstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sunstone)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/96 "2014-03-05T02:02:13Z")
Great postings, Monstro! ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/97 "2014-03-05T02:03:44Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > There doesn’t need to be a dualistic approach to this issue. Women are less privileged than men overall, but men are still subject to negative stereotyping and detrimental social expectations. It’s not either/or, and there’s no reason why we can’t oppose attitudes and behaviors that damage members of both genders. Excellent post. We don’t need to have a competition for who has it worse off. That doesn’t help anything. We should focus on the problems and how to fix them instead. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/98 "2014-03-05T03:13:04Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I never suggested that you had. I asked why a bumbling male demonstrates that it’s the case. I’m not sure exactly how I’d go about proving that. I doubt any advertising executive has gone on record explaining that they target women by portraying men as incompetent.[sup]\*[/sup] I do think it’s safe to assume that companies develop advertising to appeal to their likely customers. And as the previous links said, those customers are becoming predominantly women. - While searching for such a direct admission, I did find a few blogs and articles on the subject of dumb men in commercials which still claimed they were examples of anti-woman bias. I disagree with that conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Manlob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Manlob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manlob)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/99 "2014-03-05T03:58:49Z")
While women may be underpaid on average, depending on where you work, being a white male can be a disadvantage, especially at large corporation white collar jobs and government contractors. Such corporations often have active diversity advancement programs that go out of their way to advance women and minorities. Makes it more difficult for a slightly above average white male to advance. There is also so the 8(a) Business Development Plan of the Small Business Administration that preferentially gives government contracts and loans to woman, minority, or “socially disadvantaged” owned buisinesses. 8(1) may be a case where being gay would be an advantage. Portrayal of white males as fools in commericals and sitcoms is less of a concern, but sure seems to be common. This is especially noticable in the type of commercials they show during weekend sporting events with humorous corporate situations with a minority or woman playing the mature boss or CEO while a white male makes a fool of himself. Same in the multicultural groups of buddies in the beer commericals. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754/100 "2014-03-05T05:11:28Z")
> [@Manlob](#): > > While women may be underpaid on average, depending on where you work, being a white male can be a disadvantage, especially at large corporation white collar jobs and government contractors. Such corporations often have active diversity advancement programs that go out of their way to advance women and minorities. Makes it more difficult for a slightly above average white male to advance. What are the current ratios of men to women, whites to minorities, and white men to all others at these corporations? If you can show me that white men are not currently over-represented in those companies, I’d be more inclined to buy this argument. . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/responses-to-a-straight-white-male-complaining-on-these-message-boards/682754.md?page=6)