# "result that all of us throughout the United Kingdom will respect" WTH Queenie? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 19, 2014, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968 "2014-09-19T19:50:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2014, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/41 "2014-09-20T08:53:00Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > This is HRH saying ‘Democracy is good, and this was a good example of it’. Now I expect this sort of thing from Johnny Foreigner **aceplace57** , but you should know better.\* The Queen is “Her Majesty”. A prince or princess is “His/Her Royal Highness”. > [@aceplace57](#): > > I wonder if Charles will be that circumspect. Obviously he won’t jump into daily politics. But there are a few causes that he’s known for caring about. Like the environment and global warming. I can see him making a distinction between a very obvious political argument and a cause that effects mankinds future. It’ll be interesting to see if he’ll be content to say and do nothing considered political as King. Unfortunately, the architecture of other people’s buildings and homeopathy are among his other interests. \*Actually, I’m beginning to think you’re a continental, Monsieur _Monj Toot_. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2014, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/42 "2014-09-20T09:50:20Z")
:smack: you’re right. I screwed up. I’ll remember next time to use the correct title. > [@Bozuit](#): > > Now I expect this sort of thing from Johnny Foreigner **aceplace57** , but you should know better.\* > > The Queen is “Her Majesty”. A prince or princess is “His/Her Royal Highness”. > > Unfortunately, the architecture of other people’s buildings and homeopathy are among his other interests. > \*Actually, I’m beginning to think you’re a continental, Monsieur _Monj Toot_. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2014, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/43 "2014-09-20T10:40:55Z")
> [@Balance](#): > > It means what she wants it to mean. It’s the Queen’s English, after all. 😃 And that expression means that she’s the only person in the world who can properly ask whether “anybody here speak _my_ language?” ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2014, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/44 "2014-09-20T12:34:15Z")
Her Maj has got to be pretty sanguine about peoples seeking their own way. Her reign has encompassed many lowerings of the flag of Empire, after all. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/45 "2014-09-20T18:45:59Z")
I’ve got to think that the Commonwealth is far more influential through culture than the Empire was through shear political power simply because it isn’t resented, but considered a positive cultural tradition by most folks. Cultural power is far more subtle and effective than beatings. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2014, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/46 "2014-09-20T21:22:41Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Her Maj has got to be pretty sanguine about peoples seeking their own way. Her reign has encompassed many lowerings of the flag of Empire, after all. Yeah, but SHE still gets to be queen of most of those places… ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2014, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/47 "2014-09-21T01:58:00Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > I’ve got to think that the Commonwealth is far more influential through culture than the Empire was through shear political power simply because it isn’t resented, but considered a positive cultural tradition by most folks. Cultural power is far more subtle and effective than beatings. In other words, Elizabeth II of Great Britain decided to forgo Domination and instead shoot for a Cultural Victory. ---
**Author:** ![Girl\_From\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3da27b/32.png) [@Girl\_From\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Girl_From_Mars)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2014, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/48 "2014-09-21T07:49:07Z")
The fact that there’s already a #the45plus hashtag actively campaigning on social media might explain why the Queen suggests that everyone respect the decision. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2014, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/49 "2014-09-21T10:13:22Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > Now I expect this sort of thing from Johnny Foreigner **aceplace57** , but you should know better.\* > > The Queen is “Her Majesty”. A prince or princess is “His/Her Royal Highness”. I stand corrected, although chastened and bowed. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/50 "2014-09-21T23:21:40Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Balmoral is her personal property, so I can’t imagine it would be seized unless Scotland turned revolutionary. So is Sandringham; which caused quite a bit of friction her father had to buy them off Uncle David after his abdication. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/51 "2014-09-22T20:39:47Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I guess it struck me odd because usually a No vote on anything means business as usual. > > Say a state had a ballot to legalize medical pot. The voters reject it. The state’s Governor would never say “we respect your decision not to legalize pot”. The Governor probably wouldn’t say anything. It’s a non event. A ballot issue was defeated. Time to move on to the next issue at hand. The key thing is the vote, at least by the last minute, wasn’t really a straight vote between _The Proposed Change_ versus _The Status Quo Ante_. With the large last-minute promises (bribes?) made jointly by all three UK political parties to make governance changes to Scotland’s benefit if the referendum failed, the Scots were really voting between [The better-than-today good deal Alex Salmond promised us] versus [The better-than-today good deal Cameron, Miliband, & What’s-his-name promised us]. The only option absolutely NOT on offer was [Status Quo Ante]. So I read the Queen’s opening sentence as mostly her committing to not going back on the last-ditch promises of HM government. Many of the Yes side hotheads are already anxious to ensure all the promises are fully fulfilled before the next general election because its traditional / constitutional (AIUI) that subsequent governments are under no obligation to respect the undertakings of the previous government. The Queen is saying “There’s no rush, I’ll ensure the promises stay in place.” How thoroughly she’s actually in a position to enforce that promise over possible future political opposition is a question I’m not competent to speculate on. ---
**Author:** ![Ximenean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/aca169/32.png) [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/52 "2014-09-22T21:03:52Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > So I read the Queen’s opening sentence as mostly her committing to not going back on the last-ditch promises of HM government. Many of the Yes side hotheads are already anxious to ensure all the promises are fully fulfilled before the next general election because its traditional / constitutional (AIUI) that subsequent governments are under no obligation to respect the undertakings of the previous government. The Queen is saying “There’s no rush, I’ll ensure the promises stay in place.” Absolutely not. That is an unthinkable level of political involvement for a monarch. Not that her government, or parliament, has decided anything yet. Some politicians made some pledges in a campaign, that’s all. If they break them, then it is up to the voters to punish them. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/53 "2014-09-22T21:06:53Z")
Isn’t the SNP a republican party? ---
**Author:** ![Ximenean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/aca169/32.png) [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/54 "2014-09-22T21:20:32Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Isn’t the SNP a republican party? Realpolitik. It would cost a lot of votes because the monarchy is too popular in Scotland. ISTR one of things Alex Salmond did was to persuade them to drop the idea of becoming a republic should Scotland gain independence. So the policy now is that Scotland would be a constitutional monarchy under the queen. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/55 "2014-09-22T22:21:10Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I guess it struck me odd because usually a No vote on anything means business as usual. > > Say a state had a ballot to legalize medical pot. The voters reject it. The state’s Governor would never say “we respect your decision not to legalize pot”. The Governor probably wouldn’t say anything. It’s a non event. A ballot issue was defeated. Time to move on to the next issue at hand. There’s a HUGE difference between legalizing pot and voting to become independent of a national union you’ve been a part of since 1707. (1603 if you want to go back to the uniting of the monarchy itself) ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/56 "2014-09-23T08:06:09Z")
> [@](#): > > to work constructively for the future of Scotland and indeed all parts of this country. This is the part that makes it seem like it wouldn’t work the other way around. It seems to be treating Scotland as still part of the country. > [@](#): > > My family and I will do all we can to help and support you in this important task. But this part makes me agree with **aceplace**. With independence, there’s a huge task ahead that might need help. Without, the task is much smaller. It would seem to be just be helping with the division. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/57 "2014-09-23T13:02:13Z")
> [@Girl\_From\_Mars](#): > > The fact that there’s already a #the45plus hashtag actively campaigning on social media might explain why the Queen suggests that everyone respect the decision. Not to mention those that think the whole thing was rigged due to one low quality video, a picture already explained (and even Yes Dundee, the “Yes” group in the region where the picture was taken, agreed with the explanation) and that last bastion of electoral regularity, Russia, objecting. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/58 "2014-09-24T00:57:22Z")
If I was a United Kingdomonian, I’d be pretty mad. Who is she to tell anyone what they have to respect? Who died and made her queen? ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/59 "2014-09-24T15:55:02Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Who died and made her queen? Her dad. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968/60 "2014-09-25T19:40:49Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Her dad. 😉 [http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/\_\_cb20121204135112/trollpasta/images/1/13/Thats\_the\_joke.jpg](http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121204135112/trollpasta/images/1/13/Thats_the_joke.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/result-that-all-of-us-throughout-the-united-kingdom-will-respect-wth-queenie/698968.md?page=4)