# Retaliatory tariffs **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 24, 2025, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322 "2025-01-24T04:48:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/701 "2025-05-13T16:48:18Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > 10 year yield on t-bills is spiking which means they’re having a hard time getting people to buy our treasuries, because the world no longer views the US as stable and reliable. But they are guarantied by the 14th Amendment and no President would dare violate the Constitution. That’s crazy ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/702 "2025-05-18T21:53:39Z")
One tariff lawsuit is due in court in the next week or two. Educational toy company Learning Resources filed suit against the Trump administration on April 22. The lawsuit challenges the legality of tariffs imposed by the Trump administration, arguing that they exceed presidential authority and violate both the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) and the separation of powers. The CEO has been interviewed extensively by the media since the suit was filed. [https://muckrack.com/broadcast/savedclips/view/4xaCl0n7l3](https://muckrack.com/broadcast/savedclips/view/4xaCl0n7l3) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/703 "2025-06-10T15:09:58Z")
Good luck. I mean that sincerely, but I think you’re gonna need it. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/704 "2025-06-10T15:33:03Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > One tariff lawsuit is due in court in the next week or two. Educational toy company Learning Resources filed suit against the Trump administration on April 22. The lawsuit challenges the legality of tariffs imposed by the Trump administration, arguing that they exceed presidential authority and violate both the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) and the separation of powers. They won the lawsuit against the tariffs. Now it’s being appealed, of course. > **[Ruling in Vernon Hills toy company's lawsuit over Trump's tariffs also...](https://abc7chicago.com/post/ruling-vernon-hills-toy-companies-lawsuit-president-donald-trumps-tariffs-delayed-appeals-court/16593543/)** > > Amid the confusion over tariffs after an appeals court ruled in one case, earlier Thursday, a second federal court also ruled to block the Trump's administration's tariffs, with the decision impacting a Vernon Hills toy company. [https://paw.princeton.edu/article/toymaker-rick-woldenberg-81-sued-trump-administration-and-won](https://paw.princeton.edu/article/toymaker-rick-woldenberg-81-sued-trump-administration-and-won) ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/705 "2025-06-11T14:34:28Z")
DJT says trade deal with China is done. We’ll see. (Link to MSN) [US-China trade deal is done, says Trump](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-china-trade-deal-is-done-says-trump/ar-AA1GuwU9?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=04c97148764743018fedc5100b60bbfd&ei=24) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/706 "2025-06-11T14:37:54Z")
It better be beautiful. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/707 "2025-06-11T14:47:36Z")
As one commenter on a Fox News article said: > [@](#): > > The U.S. and China have reached a “framework” to implement a trade deal struck between the two sides last month in Geneva. > > Sort of like a concept of a plan. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/708 "2025-06-11T19:31:05Z")
If not beautiful than (at least) big. If not big, than bold. If not bold, than businesslike. If not businesslike, than blustering. If not blustering, than bumptious. If not bumptious, than bonkers. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2025, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/709 "2025-06-27T20:50:50Z")
I think this is coming along just beautifully, don’t you? [**Trump cuts off US trade talks with Canada, shattering optimism over tariff deals – Reuters**](https://www.reuters.com/world/china/tariff-deals-could-be-wrapped-up-by-labor-day-bessent-says-talks-pick-up-2025-06-27/) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON, June 27 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday abruptly cut off trade talks with Canada over its tax targeting U.S. technology firms, calling it a “blatant attack” and saying that he would set a new tariff rate on Canadian goods within the next week. > > The move plunges U.S. relations with its second-largest trading partner back into chaos after a period of relative calm. I guess ‘90 Deals in 90 Days’ includes giving our friends, neighbors, and allies the proverbial middle finger. I did _not_ know that. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![This\_Just\_In\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@This\_Just\_In\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/This_Just_In_2)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2025, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/710 "2025-06-27T21:53:50Z")
I honestly don’t know why foreign politicians even waste their time talking to Trump or his underlings about tariffs. Even when Trump makes an agreement, like Trump’s congressionally approved CUSMA, it is completely ignored so he can continue bleating from his bully pulpit. The media just laps it all up - like ground hog day they reset daily and report the latest tweet as if Trump is actually a good faith negotiator. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/711 "2025-06-28T04:08:44Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > I think this is coming along just beautifully, don’t you? I had a feeling something like this was going to happen. Trump can always find something to get mad about. If Edmonton had won the Stanley Cup, he’d be mad about that. I’m sure he’ll find another fictional mountain of fentanyl moving north to south (instead of the other way around that it moves in reality) or some other bullshit so he can dominate the news cycle again with tariffs tariffs tariffs. And just as our new Prime Minister was saying Trump had given up on the 51st state nonsense too. I bet that’ll be back soon, probably on the same day he announces some ridiculous tariff rate and then doubles it when Canada naturally retaliates. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/712 "2025-06-28T05:07:41Z")
When the baby gets colicky, the thing to do is stay calm, say soothing things, consider using gripe water and remember these tantrums are frequent but temporary. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/713 "2025-06-28T10:49:12Z")
Except that this baby is the size of a sumo wrestler and can wreck your house. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/714 "2025-06-28T11:49:28Z")
> [@This\_Just\_In\_2](#): > > I honestly don’t know why foreign politicians even waste their time talking to Trump or his underlings about tariffs. Because, unlike US voters, we have no choice in the matter. Like it or not, the US is a major trading partner for many, many countries. Canada and Mexico are probably worst off, with about 80% of our international trade going to the US, but even at lower rates, say 10-20%, no one is willing to just toss that large a part of their national revenues. And unlike Trump, our politicians understand that you can’t change that over night. We’re all talking to each other, trying to establish new trade systems to replace as much of the US trade as we can, but we know that process will take years. In the meantime, we’re stuck with the manbaby. We’d love to cut you off cold turkey, but we’re not willing to take that hit just to help you fix the mess you created for yourselves. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/715 "2025-06-28T12:02:52Z")
Canada is officially sort of shrugging off Trump’s threats, which is the right move. Trump is likely to change his mind, and anyway, we’re better off negotiating when the Us economy is in bad shape later this year. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/716 "2025-06-28T13:54:09Z")
As another data point, during the Liberation Day tariffs, Australia was subjected to the base level as was Heard and McDonald islands, notwithstanding the US has a trade surplus with us. Despite this Australia has not applied retaliatory tariffs against the US. Bit of a point of honour being a foundation member of the Cairns Group. However, Hegseth has been rattling the defence spending can, with the aim that lil ol Oz can pull it’s weight in the war in the North China Sea that he’s spoiling for. Specifically an immediate spend of $40billion to buy US hardware. The sort of approach you’d expect from the schoolyard bully. The Albanese government have rejected the demand. So we are anticipating the imposition of further trade sanctions. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/717 "2025-06-28T15:17:25Z")
True. But you still try to keep the bulls away from China. ---
**Author:** ![knavette57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knavette57/32/3871_2.png) [@knavette57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/knavette57)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/718 "2025-06-28T17:48:10Z")
I think you have invented a new word game! I am glad I was not drinking hot coffee when I read this, bc I would now have scalded nostrils and sinuses (bc would laugh so much). On a personal level, and in keeping with the thread topic, I have certainly noticed price increases of my favorite imported jams and jellies. I am thinking of learning to make them myself, not at all hard since my grandma taught me to can. What people might not realize is that we import coffee, tea etc. I notice those prices have doubled in some cases (I tend to buy artisan, local roasted coffee, my fave being a brand here in St Louis). Oh, and there’s chocolate too. Six pack of Hershey bars are over 8 dollars. Many campgrounds will be empty of smores cooking this summer. I think the grocery prices are key to getting people upset. People don’t buy houses and cars every week, but food is purchased constantly. Of course, one can cut back, eat less, etc., but that has its limits. Americans need their junk food, of course. I am already overhearing unhappiness in the grocery aisles. But hey, the American people voted for this (I didn’t, but I have been writing to my Congress people, useless though that it is ) …live in MO, all Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/719 "2025-06-28T19:43:47Z")
Maybe US groceries should do what a lot of Canadian ones are doing - sticking labels on shelves to identify which items are Canadian sourced/made and which are affected by the Trump Tariffs. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retaliatory-tariffs/1013322/720 "2025-06-28T19:45:44Z")
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