# \[retitled\] Presidential determination re Palestine **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 16, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retitled-presidential-determination-re-palestine/486107 "2009-02-16T16:15:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retitled-presidential-determination-re-palestine/486107/41 "2009-02-17T12:35:47Z")
So you are posting things that you do not believe in, which are other people’s words in any case. Check. And no, the link you gave didn’t go to any specific post, at all. And I’d have no way of knowing if you weren’t simply linking to your own site. Not that I expect this dance to go on much longer in this forum anyways… ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retitled-presidential-determination-re-palestine/486107/42 "2009-02-17T12:36:46Z")
> [@butwhat](#): > > That there was a copy & paste Missy. I can piss and throw shoes at all of them. The Catholics & their rabbit like behavior, The Jews with their land grabbing Palestinian oppressing ways. The Chinese polluting the world, Can’t slam the Buddahists much. Anybody from the middle east for just being goofy. Yes, I saw you had copied and pasted from a nutcase blog site. And yet I assumed you endorsed the contents of your post. Otherwise, why post it? And I’m sure we’re all enjoying your little racist outbursts, here and [in the Pit](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10837775&postcount=9). I assure you you will be missed after you are banned, which I can only assume will be within a couple of days. And, for what it’s worth, I’m not a missy. ---
**Author:** ![butwhat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3bc359/32.png) [@butwhat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/butwhat)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retitled-presidential-determination-re-palestine/486107/43 "2009-02-17T12:38:16Z")
it’s always nice to be missed ---
**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retitled-presidential-determination-re-palestine/486107/44 "2009-02-17T12:52:30Z")
> [@butwhat](#): > > Jayjay, How old are you? Do you remember the first attack on the World Trade Center? Osama was in Michigan, He was also picked up questioned and released. Many of Osama’s relatives were also here and flown home after 9-11 That is completely untrue. The fact that you have failed to provide a cite for this claim despite the fact that several posters have now pressed you for one indicates you have no good reason for believing this. Think I’m full of it, or that I’m “not old enough”, or something? Then prove it. Substantiate your claim with a credible[sup]1[/sup] source. If what you said is true, you shouldn’t have a hard time finding one. Oh, and while I’m here I’d just like to beg the mods not to ban **butwhat** or close this thread. I’m sure he’s just posting for lulz but there’s no reason we can’t have some too 🙂 [sup]1[/sup][sub]FYI, blogs which don’t cite their own sources don’t count as ‘credible’[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retitled-presidential-determination-re-palestine/486107/45 "2009-02-17T12:56:17Z")
> [@George\_Kaplin](#): > > That is completely untrue. The fact that you have failed to provide a cite for this claim despite the fact that several posters have now pressed you for one indicates you have no good reason for believing this. The fact that I provided a cite showing that Osama was in Sudan is another. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retitled-presidential-determination-re-palestine/486107/46 "2009-02-17T13:02:07Z")
But…but, Bin Laden’s a _Muslim_!!!1!1 No true Muslim would let something as trivial as the laws of physics stop him from attacking our freedom! I even have a cite, look! [http://muslimsrtehevulz.blogspot.com/](http://muslimsrtehevulz.blogspot.com/) ---
**Author:** ![butwhat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3bc359/32.png) [@butwhat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/butwhat)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retitled-presidential-determination-re-palestine/486107/47 "2009-02-17T13:05:30Z")
Finn’s post alludes to Osama’s alleged possible involvement in the first attacks. I saw nothing that said he was actually in Sudan. I didn’t mean that he was necessarily in Michigan for the attacks but he did have a place in Michigan that he went to & stayed at. And we did have him but let him go. I do not hav etime now to do the searches so I would appreciate it if you would help me out & search for all the info On Osama that you can find. I guess this thread has drifted. I didn’t think it was about Osama or Obama. Maybe search Osama history ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retitled-presidential-determination-re-palestine/486107/48 "2009-02-17T13:06:05Z")
> [@George\_Kaplin](#): > > But…but, Bin Laden’s a _Muslim_!!!1!1 No true Muslim would let something as trivial as the laws of physics stop him from attacking our freedom! Shit. If they can bilocate we might as well just give up now. Allahu akbar! La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasul Allah! ---
**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retitled-presidential-determination-re-palestine/486107/49 "2009-02-17T13:10:07Z")
> [@butwhat](#): > > I didn’t mean that he was necessarily in Michigan for the attacks but he did have a place in Michigan that he went to & stayed at. Again, cite? > [@butwhat](#): > > I do not hav etime now to do the searches so I would appreciate it if you would help me out & search for all the info On Osama that you can find. Not my problem, fella. You made the claim. That means you’ve got to do the legwork. > [@butwhat](#): > > I guess this thread has drifted. A tragedy considering how well it started out 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retitled-presidential-determination-re-palestine/486107/50 "2009-02-17T14:42:16Z")
OK, the xenophobic drivel had been amusing, but it is now getting tedious. **butwhat** , you are now prohibited from posting further to this thread until you provide documentary evidence that Osama bin Laden (the leader of _al Qaida_, not some son, cousin, nephew, uncle, or other extended relative of the same name), has been in Michigan, (the U.S. state), at any time in the last 15 1/2 years. You have repeatedly made or insinuated this claim, all the while treading the edge of violating the rules of this forum with insults. Put up or go away. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retitled-presidential-determination-re-palestine/486107/51 "2009-02-17T16:59:32Z")
With buttwhat’s banishment for trolling across multiple threads in multiple Fora, I’m shutting down this nonsense. [/Modding] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/retitled-presidential-determination-re-palestine/486107.md?page=2)