# Return of "Deflategate" **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 6, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401 "2015-05-06T17:33:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/521 "2016-04-25T22:43:21Z")
The court didn’t say he cheated, they said he may have destroyed evidence and it was in Goodell’s authority to suspend him based on that. 2 judges said that, and the third wasn’t a moron. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/522 "2016-04-25T22:54:17Z")
I thought the owners were going to fire Goodall over this like a year ago… ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/523 "2016-04-25T23:34:32Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > The court didn’t say he cheated, they said he may have destroyed evidence and it was in Goodell’s authority to suspend him based on that. 2 judges said that, and the third wasn’t a moron. They also basically said that the players union signed the CBA that gave Goodell this authority with eyes open, and so they have no right to cry foul over it now. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/524 "2016-04-26T01:48:13Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Got an argument there, **Hamlet**? I’ve made my arguments over and over in this thread already, no point repeating them again. My last post was just me enjoying watching you to be shown to be wrong. Again. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/525 "2016-04-26T11:40:41Z")
There’s no point in continuing to show yourself to be in even less command of the basic facts than you are of your viscera, no, that’s true. Still, it would have been … \*interesting \*… to see you address the actual legal decision, given your purported profession. \*That \*would have been new, but, of course, still with the same effect. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/526 "2016-04-26T12:00:40Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Still, it would have been … \*interesting \*… to see you address the actual legal decision, given your purported profession. I doubt I would have much more to offer that isn’t already covered in this thread or the hundreds of new stories about it. I just don’t care enough to go through the opinion in detail. But I do know you were wrong. Again. And that tickled my fancy, especially when I had raised the issue of wagering on the outcome resulting in you admitting you were wrong. But just keep, bobbing and weaving. It’s cute. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/527 "2016-04-26T12:05:22Z")
I didn’t think so. :rolleyes: _Oderint dum metuant._ ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/528 "2016-04-26T12:21:56Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I didn’t think so. :rolleyes: > > _Oderint dum metuant._ Now you have my curiosity piqued. I wonder if actually think you’re making any kind of relevant point at all. I mean beyond the knee jerk “I have to post something … anything … or else I … lose something or other” reaction that covers a great majority of your posts. I wonder how deep this delusion of yours, that you’re actually contributing something of value, goes? Or is there a little part of you, maybe way in the back of your brain, that realizes that, yes, once again you were shown to be wrong, and maybe, just maybe, you should own up to it. Only to have that little part shouted down by the rest of your “MUST … POST … SOMETHING” brain in a deluge of narcissism and denial, of course. But I wonder if that little part is there at all. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/529 "2016-04-26T14:31:38Z")
ElvisL1ves is like Baghdad Bob without the charm. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/530 "2016-04-26T22:28:25Z")
The facts are what they are. But some of you are having a great deal of trouble accepting that, aren’t you? _No rules infraction occurred._ As you know. We’ve gone over it in detail. It’s time to deal with it. But in some other way than you have been, m’kay? You’re embarrassing more people than just yourselves with this repeated J-E-T-S! cheering. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/531 "2016-04-26T22:49:24Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The facts are what they are. But some of you are having a great deal of trouble accepting that, aren’t you? > > _No rules infraction occurred._ The NFL concluded it did. The 2nd circuit, despite you’re assertion that it wouldn’t, upheld that conclusion. You, as you have been this entire thread, are wrong. But at least I have an answer to my question in my last post. Nope. Reality doesn’t even creep into the back of your brain. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/532 "2016-04-27T01:32:57Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > ElvisL1ves is like Baghdad Bob without the charm. Or mustache. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/533 "2016-04-27T11:29:08Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > The NFL concluded it did. And you \*know \*how and why. You \*know \*how Wells fabricated his results. It’s \*really \*time to stop kidding yourself. > [@](#): > > The 2nd circuit, despite you’re assertion that it wouldn’t, upheld that conclusion. Wrong again. They explicitly \*avoided \*the topic, as New York sports fans and Brady-haters must, and ruled based \*only \*on authority and process. Counselor. :rolleyes: The facts and their full implications are horrifyingly humiliating for you, I know - but your denialist approach doesn’t solve any problems for you either. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/534 "2016-04-27T11:36:36Z")
When there’s a group of people that have some prediction that’s very dear to them - say, the people who form a cult around the idea that the world will end on a specific date - and then the world doesn’t end on that date - you’d think it would break their dedication to that idea, right? But it doesn’t, they double down on it. It actually reinforces their idea that they were right - that they just got the details wrong. Now they’re even more sure the world will end, but someone screwed up the interpretation of the prophecy and it’ll actually be next year. I see that same sort of zealotry every time ElvisL1ves posts. No matter how much his predictions are shown to be untrue, no matter how much he’s provably wrong, not only does it not cause him to pause for a moment of reflection, but it actually reinforces to him that he’s been right all along. If this wasn’t silly stuff on a message board, it would be downright scary. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/535 "2016-04-27T11:43:06Z")
Haters gonna hate. The facts remain. Time to deal with them. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/536 "2016-04-27T11:52:23Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > When there’s a group of people that have some prediction that’s very dear to them - say, the people who form a cult around the idea that the world will end on a specific date - and then the world doesn’t end on that date - you’d think it would break their dedication to that idea, right? But it doesn’t, they double down on it. It actually reinforces their idea that they were right - that they just got the details wrong. Now they’re even more sure the world will end, but someone screwed up the interpretation of the prophecy and it’ll actually be next year. > > I see that same sort of zealotry every time ElvisL1ves posts. No matter how much his predictions are shown to be untrue, no matter how much he’s provably wrong, not only does it not cause him to pause for a moment of reflection, but it actually reinforces to him that he’s been right all along. If this wasn’t silly stuff on a message board, it would be downright scary. I think you nailed it. I’m just taken aback by how … loud and obnoxious … he is about his own wrongness. Most of those cult people tend to slink away after being shown to be wrong, but Elvis just keeps posting, just keeps insulting, just keeps ignoring reality, and may even get louder the more he is shown to be wrong. He’s like the energizer bunny of a street corner cultist. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/537 "2016-04-27T15:19:41Z")
> [@RadicalPi](#): > > Tom Brady’s suspension has been reinstated by a federal appeals court. > [http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/25/us/nfl-wins-deflategate-appeal-tom-brady-suspension/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/25/us/nfl-wins-deflategate-appeal-tom-brady-suspension/index.html) Lord give me strength. I’m planning to go to a social gathering tomorrow. And that’s normally a good thing. But it’s very likely I’ll encounter a friend there. And this friend makes Elvis’ support of the Patriots look faint-hearted. I’m sure I’m in for a denunciation of the American legal system that will go all the way back to the writing of the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/538 "2016-04-27T16:27:00Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Haters gonna hate. > > The facts remain. Time to deal with them. Agreed. Fact: your boy Brady is going to miss 4 games. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/539 "2016-04-27T19:29:53Z")
[This is kind of fun.](https://hatch113.shinyapps.io/bayesian_net_calc/) It’s an app that calculates how likely you think that the Patriots cheated based on answers to several smaller, more concrete, underlying questions. Turns out my estimated chance of their innocence is 0%. Would love to hear what Elvis got. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/540 "2016-04-28T01:16:52Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Fact: your boy Brady is going to miss 4 games. Deal with it. Probably. Now what makes you think I haven’t? That’s really all it is to you, or the last few posters, isn’t it, though? Just exercising jealous, juvenile hate. It’s hilarious in a way, but pretty damn sad in so many others. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401.md?page=28)