# Return of "Deflategate" **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 6, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401 "2015-05-06T17:33:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/121 "2015-05-13T13:56:57Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Do you have a better factual analysis to offer, or just more Steeler-fan whining? > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Yeah, I didn’t think so. Knock comments like these (and others you’ve made in this thread) off. They are coming dangerously close to looking like trying purposefully to get a rise out of people. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/122 "2015-05-13T13:58:05Z")
Nm. Reconsidered post moderator intervention. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/123 "2015-05-13T14:09:32Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Just in case anyone still is on the fence about ElvisL1ves’ site, here is more text from it:It is about as even-handed, dispassionate and balanced a take on NFL cheating as ElvisL1ves himself is. This is how desperate Pats fans are. It’s a truly marvelous and hilarious display to behold. Just for shits and grins, I checked out the Packer page. They got the bad stuff (gambling and college recruiting), but they include so much other stuff it’s laughable. They give the Packers 3 cheating points (how funny is that, that they have to make up their own system so the Pats don’t look bad, rather than relying on actual discipline done by the NFL) for something they themselves admit: “is within the rules as long as players use their own monies, the amounts are not exorbitant, and the payments are not for illegal hits” and “Greg Aiello, an NFL spokesman, said there was nothing wrong with what White did,”. That site is worth a healthy chuckle, not only for the rampant homerism, but the cute way they pretend they’re somehow being objective. It’s like reading ElvisL!ves posts if they were written by FoxNews. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/124 "2015-05-13T14:12:23Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Just in case anyone still is on the fence about ElvisL1ves’ site, here is more text from it:It is about as even-handed, dispassionate and balanced a take on NFL cheating as ElvisL1ves himself is. This is how desperate Pats fans are. It’s a truly marvelous and hilarious display to behold. > > I wonder if ElvisL1ves sees the similarity between himself and Dick Cheney, Judith Miller and the aluminum tubes issue here. Regarding the Watergate break-ins, the Nixon Presidential Library and Museum said: > [@](#): > > The obvious question that needed to be answered at the time was: “Who ordered the Watergate break-in?” … Millions of dollars, thousands of leads, hundreds of interviews, and countless hour were spent by the Executive Branch, the Congress, and the Watergate Special Prosecutor’s office searching for the origin of the break in. **Not one shred of evidence was ever unearthed which even remotely suggested that the President ordered the bugging or knew about it in advance. One result of this massive investigative effort is irrefutable – President Nixon was in no way connected with this attempted “third rate burglary.”** [http://www.nixonlibrary.gov/themuseum/exhibits/oldwatergatetour.php](http://www.nixonlibrary.gov/themuseum/exhibits/oldwatergatetour.php) This is the only thing I’ve ever seen that comes close to the homer denialism rampant on the “Everyone else cheats, Patriots don’t” site. Pitiful, both of them. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/125 "2015-05-13T14:15:37Z")
What “Patriots don’t” do you see? The site has them right in the middle of the pack. The issue is hypocrisy and selectivity. Is that not clear? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/126 "2015-05-13T14:22:27Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What “Patriots don’t” do you see? The site has them right in the middle of the pack. Yeah. Perfectly average. A dispassionate empirical analysis reveals that they are no better or worse than the league as a whole. Which is remarkable when you consider that Goodell has it out for them. A dispassionate analysis reveals that he is at heart a Jet and sends his winged minions out to slander Tom Brady. Empirically speaking. > [@](#): > > The issue is hypocrisy and selectivity. Is that not clear? It’s crystal. Dude, that site is more partisan than the Da Bears sketch where they predicted that a team of mini Bears would beat the Giants 31 to 7. Asking people to counter that with a factual rebuttal is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/127 "2015-05-13T14:38:53Z")
You’ve already established that no, you _don’t_ have anything else of a factual nature to offer, and furthermore, you have no interest in exploring the subject on a factual basis. No need to keep emphasizing it; it really doesn’t help you. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/128 "2015-05-13T14:57:26Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You’ve already established that no, you _don’t_ have anything else of a factual nature to offer, and furthermore, you have no interest in exploring the subject on a factual basis. No need to keep emphasizing it; it really doesn’t help you. Just because it metaphorically needs to be said… You gotta little poop there onyour hands. It stinks and you should be embarrassed for it. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/129 "2015-05-13T15:08:06Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You’ve already established that no, you _don’t_ have anything else of a factual nature to offer, and furthermore, you have no interest in exploring the subject on a factual basis. No need to keep emphasizing it; it really doesn’t help you. I will continue to emphasize that your linked site is not itself of a factual nature by any stretch of the imagination. If I need to actually keep quoting from it to demonstrate this point, I will. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/130 "2015-05-13T15:22:09Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Well, the GM did send some bitchy texts to a coach he was feuding with. That’s way higher on the cheat scale than tampering with the equipment in a playoff game. “Textgate” only got 1.5 cameras on the cheat scale. The Jaguars are also not very good at cheating, and they also suck at football. The best instance of cheating that is exclusive to the Jaguars is that they once painted the arrows at yard markers away from the closest end zone. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/131 "2015-05-13T15:32:27Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > “Textgate” only got 1.5 cameras on the cheat scale. The Jaguars are also not very good at cheating, and they also suck at football. The best instance of cheating that is exclusive to the Jaguars is that they once painted the arrows at yard markers away from the closest end zone. Empirically, texting is 3 times worse than snowplowing a spot for your team’s placekicker. ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/132 "2015-05-13T16:45:19Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Well, the GM did send some bitchy texts to a coach he was feuding with. That’s way higher on the cheat scale than tampering with the equipment in a playoff game. For which he was given the same suspension as Brady. (Not offered as any indication of equivalence, but rather as a comment on the generally arbitrary and capricious nature of the NFL discipline system.) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/133 "2015-05-13T17:16:58Z")
Brady has retained[the lawyer best known for helping the NFL embarrass itself.](http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/05/13/reports-tom-brady-lawyers-hiring-nfl-nemesis-jeffrey-kessler-for-deflategate-appeal/R8VxFScOekxF86MCvkjU3H/story.html?p1=feature_sec_hp) It’s only beginning. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/134 "2015-05-13T17:20:01Z")
And as a side note, if Brady is suspended for 4 games the Pats will save more money than the million dollar fine. Just shows how well thought out this NFL plan is. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/135 "2015-05-13T17:21:06Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I will continue to emphasize that your linked site is not itself of a factual nature by any stretch of the imagination. If I need to actually keep quoting from it to demonstrate this point, I will. No, some actual refutation using actual facts, something a bit more solid than “Yeah, Steelers! Booh, Pats!” would do it. If you ever come up with something, do please let us know, will you? ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/136 "2015-05-13T17:25:48Z")
The problem with the site is not the listing of incidents, it’s the author’s subjective ranking of the severity of incidents. Which is not subject to factual rebuttal. I suspect you already know that. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/137 "2015-05-13T17:30:17Z")
That does not make it “not itself of a factual nature”. I suspect you already know _that_. ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/138 "2015-05-13T17:32:12Z")
No, it just makes it irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/139 "2015-05-13T17:33:53Z")
No, it means it’s a source of data. You’re free to apply your own weighting criteria instead of theirs, of course, but our friend here won’t do that; but only denounce a team that Steelers fans have always hated. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401/140 "2015-05-13T17:41:09Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > No, some actual refutation using actual facts, something a bit more solid than “Yeah, Steelers! Booh, Pats!” would do it. If you ever come up with something, do please let us know, will you? Okay. The Mini-bears could not beat the Giants 42 to 7, because 14 inch tall people could not compete with full sized men in a game favoring strength, speed, height and ups. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/return-of-deflategate/719401.md?page=8)