# Revelation 3:16 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2019, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156 "2019-07-16T02:13:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/1 "2019-07-16T02:13:32Z")
> **[Revelation 3:16 - To the Church in Laodicea](https://biblehub.com/revelation/3-16.htm)** > > So because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to vomit you out of My mouth! “So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of my mouth.” So, I’m an atheist, but I was raised in a religious atmosphere and this particular bible verse has been running through my mind almost non stop lately. It sort of sums up how I feel about myself right now. I sit here in my air conditioned home, reading Twitter and Reddit and SDMB and I feel so much angst, but here I sit. The president of my country, which I love, is a fucking bigot. Children are being horribly abused in my country at our border. Asylum seekers are treated like animals. I literally cry when I watch the news. But here I sit. I’m an atheist , and yet I believe that I will pay a price for my apathy. But still, here I sit. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/2 "2019-07-16T03:35:26Z")
Yep. ETA: I’m not saying you’ll pay a price. I’m saying I feel bad for not being more activist myself. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/3 "2019-07-16T03:40:10Z")
At least you’re not praying. That’s worse than nothing. That’s doing nothing and thinking it’s something. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/4 "2019-07-16T03:48:56Z")
I have pondered this. Turns out I’m cold. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/5 "2019-07-16T12:13:38Z")
Pretty sure that passage is talking about beer. Ever had a warm Bud Light? It’s gross. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/6 "2019-07-16T13:06:58Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > …I’m an atheist , and yet I believe that I will pay a price for my apathy. > > But still, here I sit. Don’t judge yourself to harshly, if all that you do is merely vote you are doing more than the 40 or so % of Americans who are the truly apathetic. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/7 "2019-07-16T13:12:39Z")
OP, did you happen to watch _Gangs of New York_ over the past weekend? Bill the Butcher spews those very words (maybe right before he beats that dude with his shillelagh?) I had no idea it was from the bible. Anyhoo,I feel ya. I wonder how I’m going to feel about myself a few years down the road when / if this shit gets REALLY UGLY. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/8 "2019-07-16T13:48:05Z")
Also a non-believer, but pretty sure Trump means the AntiChrist is a real thing. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-10 New International Version (NIV): > [@](#): > > 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. > > 5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. So, we can always hope we’re wrong and Jesus pops up to overthrow Trump. His followers definitely resemble the last line. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/9 "2019-07-16T13:56:56Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > OP, did you happen to watch _Gangs of New York_ over the past weekend? Bill the Butcher spews those very words (maybe right before he beats that dude with his shillelagh?) I had no idea it was from the bible. > > Anyhoo,I feel ya. I wonder how I’m going to feel about myself a few years down the road when / if this shit gets REALLY UGLY. No, although I have seen the movie, it’s been years. ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/10 "2019-07-16T15:37:08Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > So, we can always hope we’re wrong and Jesus pops up to overthrow Trump. His followers definitely resemble the last line. If it turns out Trump is the antichrist from the Bible (and he’s 180 degrees from Christ-like, for sure), his followers will still support him–for the same reason they support Israel–he will help bring about the second coming. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/11 "2019-07-16T15:53:32Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > At least you’re not praying. That’s worse than nothing. That’s doing nothing and thinking it’s something. Sometimes I’m tempted to say the same thing about “protesting.” What can you or I do that would actually make things better, as opposed to just making us feel like we’ve done something? (Although, come to think of it, maybe I shouldn’t be so dismissive of making us feel like we’ve done something—that might be more mentally healthy than just feeling powerless.) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/12 "2019-07-16T15:55:17Z")
I feel your pain. I’ve felt it, and will feel it tomorrow. You are hag-ridden by that ruthless bitch, Conscience. If you are poor she will sneer at your weak-willed apathy, that you did not work harder to provide for your beloved family. If you are modestly secure, she will nag your for your stingy refusal to provide for your idiot brother-in-law, who spent his money for Powerball tickets. Turn away a beggar, she will condemn your cruelty, generously provide, and she will point out that you should have refused, to provide a stern lesson in self-reliance. If you have even a _moment_ of satisfaction for genuine and sincere effort, she is resting, gathering her strength, and will soon return. Those who do less than you are petty and small, those who do more are self-righteous Pharisees, flaunting their virtue with smug self-approval. Those who do precisely as you? Well, you _know_ how shabby and poor those efforts are! Take heart. Heaven grades on the curve, the noble soul I pretend to be is still an improvement over the bitter sumbitch I really am. > **[The Facts Concerning the Recent Carnival of Crime in Connecticut](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1876/06/the-facts-concerning-the-recent-carnival-of-crime-in-connecticut/306240/)** > > I said to myself, 'I am thoroughly happy and content, now. If my most pitiless enemy could appear before me at this moment, I would freely right any wrong I may have done him'" Words of The Master on the subject. Laugh, and be well. Love, forgiveness are gifts that cannot be deserved. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/13 "2019-07-16T17:34:09Z")
> [@Swampwolf](#): > > he will help bring about the second coming. …said none of his partners ever. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/14 "2019-07-16T17:45:40Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > [Revelation 3:16 So because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to vomit you out of My mouth!](https://biblehub.com/revelation/3-16.htm) > > “So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of my mouth.” It’s not so bad. As grotesquely disgusting as it may be, once you are “vomited out”, it’s done. Just take a long, hot shower and have a few drinks. You’ll be fine. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/15 "2019-07-16T18:50:56Z")
> [@Swampwolf](#): > > If it turns out Trump is the antichrist from the Bible (and he’s 180 degrees from Christ-like, for sure), his followers will still support him–for the same reason they support Israel–he will help bring about the second coming. Interesting recent article: [The Deepening Crisis in Evangelical Christianity](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/evangelical-christians-face-deepening-crisis/593353/) _Support for Trump comes at a high cost for Christian witness._ > [@](#): > > The rallygoers, he said, told him that Trump’s era “is spiritually driven.” When I asked whether he meant by this that Trump’s supporters believe God’s hand is on Trump, this moment and at the election—that Donald Trump is God’s man, in effect—he told me, “Yes—a number of people said they believe there is no other way to explain his victories. Starting with the election and continuing with the conclusion of the Mueller report. Many said God has chosen him and is protecting him.” > > … > > The enthusiastic, uncritical embrace of President Trump by white evangelicals is among the most mind-blowing developments of the Trump era. How can a group that for decades—and especially during the Bill Clinton presidency—insisted that character counts and that personal integrity is an essential component of presidential leadership not only turn a blind eye to the ethical and moral transgressions of Donald Trump, but also constantly defend him? Why are those who have been on the vanguard of “family values” so eager to give a man with a sordid personal and sexual history a mulligan? > > Part of the answer is their belief that they are engaged in an existential struggle against a wicked enemy—not Russia, not North Korea, not Iran, but rather American liberals and the left. If you listen to Trump supporters who are evangelical (and non-evangelicals, like the radio talk-show host Mark Levin), you will hear adjectives applied to those on the left that could easily be used to describe a Stalinist regime. (Ask yourself how many evangelicals have publicly criticized Trump for his lavish praise of Kim Jong Un, the leader of perhaps the most savage regime in the world and the worst persecutor of Christians in the world.) “is spiritually driven” I’ve seen clips of “Prosperity” Christians who say, since Trump is so rich and successful, he must be blessed by God. And, I’ll note, you don’t have to be a religious MAGAss to hate and fear liberals. They pretty much all do; it’s a requirement. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/16 "2019-07-16T21:47:59Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > It’s not so bad. As grotesquely disgusting as it may be, once you are “vomited out”, it’s done. Just take a long, hot shower and have a few drinks. You’ll be fine. 🙂 And apologize to the lady, because it’s not really her fault but she’ll still feel like it is. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/17 "2019-07-17T19:56:36Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Interesting recent article: > > [The Deepening Crisis in Evangelical Christianity](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/evangelical-christians-face-deepening-crisis/593353/) > > _Support for Trump comes at a high cost for Christian witness._ > > “is spiritually driven” > > I’ve seen clips of “Prosperity” Christians who say, since Trump is so rich and successful, he must be blessed by God. > > And, I’ll note, you don’t have to be a religious MAGAss to hate and fear liberals. They pretty much all do; it’s a requirement. White evangelicals have become increasingly result-driven. Once it became clear Trump was going to get the 2016 GOP nomination, they reluctantly or enthusiastically fell all-in. I’m still a bit baffled they didn’t go for the likes of Rubio, but once it was Trump vs. Hillary they swallowed their bile and picked the (R). I still am perplexed how it is that they endorse Trump rather than merely tolerating Trump. I totally get it that for them, nearly any R is preferable to nearly any D, but there has been virtually no movement to replace Trump with Pence, who would be far more suitable for white evangelical purposes. Pence would give evangelicals almost everything they wanted with Trump - if not even more - with considerably less baggage. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/18 "2019-07-17T20:10:55Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > White evangelicals have become increasingly result-driven. Once it became clear Trump was going to get the 2016 GOP nomination, they reluctantly or enthusiastically fell all-in. I’m still a bit baffled they didn’t go for the likes of Rubio, but once it was Trump vs. Hillary they swallowed their bile and picked the (R). I still am perplexed how it is that they endorse Trump rather than merely tolerating Trump. I totally get it that for them, nearly any R is preferable to nearly any D, but there has been virtually no movement to replace Trump with Pence, who would be far more suitable for white evangelical purposes. Pence would give evangelicals almost everything they wanted with Trump - if not even more - with considerably less baggage. They’re the same people who would have voted for George Wallace in the '60s. The moral standards they hold up are about controlling and belittling others, not making for a better society unless “better” is understood to mean “with them lording it over everyone else”. White evangelical Christianity is a religion that sought to justify and protect a society based on slavery and segregation and it’s still infected with the memes it required to do that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/19 "2019-07-17T20:17:50Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > White evangelicals have become increasingly result-driven. Once it became clear Trump was going to get the 2016 GOP nomination, they reluctantly or enthusiastically fell all-in. I’m still a bit baffled they didn’t go for the likes of Rubio, but once it was Trump vs. Hillary they swallowed their bile and picked the (R). I still am perplexed how it is that they endorse Trump rather than merely tolerating Trump. I totally get it that for them, nearly any R is preferable to nearly any D, but there has been virtually no movement to replace Trump with Pence, who would be far more suitable for white evangelical purposes. Pence would give evangelicals almost everything they wanted with Trump - if not even more - with considerably less baggage. Because most of these folks have demonstrated that they value angering liberals and harming migrants far, far more than the Christian values that they proclaim they value. It’s not a mystery. It wasn’t a mystery when most Southern white Christians opposed Civil Rights, and opposed legalizing interracial marriage, and opposed gay rights, etc. It’s not a mystery now. These (the white Christians who still enthusiastically support Trump) are folks who, politically speaking, are generally motivated by hatred and grievance more than any political issue. ---
**Author:** ![road\_lobo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@road\_lobo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/road_lobo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156/20 "2019-07-18T18:17:34Z")
I’m not a theist, but think the Serenity Prayer has value. “God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference.” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revelation-3-16/837156.md?page=2)