# Reverend Mykeru banned. SDMB Pit vultures rejoice. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 26, 2003, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718 "2003-02-26T20:13:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/242 "2003-02-28T14:45:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Uncle Beer, I was referring to the boards in general when I made the “vile, bigotted shit” remark. I’ll take your word for it, but that’s not at all clear from the paragraph you posted and I quoted. You made mention of a specific example and named me quite pointedly. But, I will grant you this. You’re right; I chimed in during the so-called “pile-on.” **But no** , I did not jump right in _against_ him. I jumped in and said my overall impression (overall meaning _everything_ I’d read from him, not just what he’d posted here) was one of “mild distaste.” You are blowing that comment out of all reasonable proportions. You will also note that when Diane said _“I am just bothered with the latest trend that appears (at least to me) that newbies must run a grueling gauntlet, fly under the radar, kiss ass, or sniff butts before they are considered eligible to stay. This is really what is bothering me with this Reverend thing,”_ I **agreed** with her. I said, _“Oh, I agree with that all right. That’s why I’m encouraging the members to take a look at his other works.”_ You are impugning me with motives that did not exist. I encouraged people to step back, take a breath, look at things the Reverend had written _outside_ the SDMB, (where presumably, a “pile-on” was not taking place and Mykeru would have no reason for being defensive and obnoxious) and make a more informed judgment as to the Reverend’s character. I’m not sure how encouraging people to review more data before rushing to a decision either before or against is “jumping right in against him.” I encouraged objectivity, nothing else. > [@](#): > > You were the most civilized of them, but you still joined in. “Joined in” meaning “posted,” yes, “joined in” meaning “piled on,” no. Once again, I will say that I believe you have mischaracterized my words and actions - now in more than one instance. And frankly, I’m beginning to find **that** “mildly distateful.” ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/243 "2003-02-28T14:52:25Z")
Next in the pit: “Mass lemming doper suicide in pointless defence of some banned guy that posted for a couple of days”. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/244 "2003-02-28T14:52:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DogB \* > \*\*The Rev was fiery…so you threw petrol at him and banned him when he exploded. > > Hope you’re proud. > > Bye bye Dickheads. \*\* Hmm, wonder if this might be a sock? ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/245 "2003-02-28T14:55:04Z")
Wonder if we care? ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/246 "2003-02-28T14:56:45Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Kabbes_ > **AH - but he still had only 6 posts when he was berating David B.** I could point out to my aged grandmother (Now ninety-six), who’s never ventured onto a message board, let alone the 'net, and bet her comments towards **David B** ’s behavior would echo those of the late **Rev**. Since when is pointing out the obvious bannable? ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/247 "2003-02-28T14:59:25Z")
Good gracious, that’s a leap **Cnote**. In what way did I suggest that they were? Tell me - what do _you_ understand by me bringing up the **Reverend’s** early entry into the slag-the-mods arena? Somehow I doubt that it is the same as what _I_ meant by it. pan ---
**Author:** ![Denis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5e9695/32.png) [@Denis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denis)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/248 "2003-02-28T15:02:44Z")
**UncleBeer** , you have my apology. I misinterpreted your motives. Seeing an unjustified, IMHO, pile-on usually punches my buttons pretty hard, and I’ll sometimes shoot blindly. Again, my apologies. Let’s just leave my username “mildly distasteful,” eh? ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/249 "2003-02-28T15:02:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Desmostylus \* > \*\*Next in the pit: “Mass lemming doper suicide in pointless defence of some banned guy that posted for a couple of days”. \*\* Or: Moron banned, stay tuned fot the inevitable axe grinding and free pot shots at the Nazi Mods and the evil Clique. Endless minor variations of the same refuted argument posted over and over. Rolleye’s smilies threatened with terminal overuse. Sadly, this thread its self is turning into a cliche. Although it did show us how to turn a foul mouthed troll into a object of revisionist history hero worship-- just Ban him. One good thing from this (other then that moron getting Banned) was the phrase: “Pit vultures rejoice”. Truly excellent work. KAW KAW! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/250 "2003-02-28T15:08:56Z")
You rang? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by P.T. Smegma \* > \*\*So, “people” attack the **Rev** mercilessly without _asking for clarifications of his views_ and they whine about getting the same back? And even (the nerve of the guy!) on his own, personal website? Seriously, who the fuck do you think you are? You slagged someone for expressing an opinion of an, IMHO, YMMV, complete waste of care and feeding, and you are shocked! shocked, I say! that he responds in kind? In the everfucking Pit? Pathetic and shameful, really. \*\* Oh, he responded in kind all right. Responded in kind^10. Flamed without merit. Flamed Mods. Flamed those who were trying to help. He chose to behave that way. 'Tis a pity you can’t (won’t?) see that. His possible mood swing that I mentioned earlier was a definate improvement and I would liked to have seen it continue. He was most definately a waste of potential. ---
**Author:** ![porcupine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac91a4/32.png) [@porcupine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/porcupine)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/251 "2003-02-28T15:10:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ogre \* > \*\*Don’t borrow trouble, **porcupine**. I used the term in its old-school, fishing related manner. You know, like the net term really means. > > Trolling=fishing. > > And yes, it’s exactly what I meant. \*\* I guess our definitions don’t agree. I’ve heard the usage of trolling in a fishing context - slowly motoring through with your bait in the water, trying to hook an unsuspecting “fish”, and reeling it in. The second usage of trolling I’ve heard is the ugly troll under the bridge that flings insults at people going over the bridge, and is much less subtle. Both usages denote active stirring up shit on-line. I fail to see how searching the web looking for information could be seen as trolling in either case. But I find the more interesting thing in your post your advice to me to not borrow trouble. Isn’t borrowing trouble exactly what you did when you started this thread? ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/252 "2003-02-28T15:12:33Z")
> [@](#): > > _Oginally posted by Kabbes_ > **…what do you understand by me bringing up the Reverend’s early entry into the slag-the-mods arena?** Hmmm. That _he_ started it? Who gives a shit, he was dead-on there too. ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/253 "2003-02-28T15:13:44Z")
Ouch. I suppose now would be a bad time to ask a mod to correct my blown code? [sub](My pleasure, treasure. – Uke)[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/254 "2003-02-28T15:19:13Z")
No. That’s _not_ what I meant. What I meant was that there is _evidence_ for him being antagonistic _before_ the much talked about “provocation” in other threads. What I meant most of all was that he was portraying this image of big bad net-warrior long before the Tool thread, the Countdown thread or anything else. Stop reading what you want to read. I’ve never suggested for a moment that he should have been banned for what he said in that thread (or indeed any other thread as it happens. I support 100% the mod’s right to ban him but think that we’d all have been better served by letting him blow himself out and disappear). Nor have I suggested that he started it - there or anywhere else. What I _have_ said is that he was spoiling for a fight, lashed out indiscriminately, assumed the worst in those addressing him and generally behaved in an exceedingly unpleasant fashion to all and sundry, regardless of tone, content or approach. I can’t believe anyone would dispute that! pan ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/255 "2003-02-28T15:25:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TVeblen \* > **That said, I supported the Rev’s banning. His biting contempt of how this board operates is no big shock. (Paying attention to this, CnoteChris?) There are plenty of carpers who mainly weigh in to bitch about how awful the place is.** > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by CnoteChris_ > \*\*Hmmm. That _he_ started it? > > Who gives a shit, he was dead-on there too.\*\* Let the suicide begin. ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/256 "2003-02-28T15:34:40Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Kabbes_ > **What I meant was that there is evidence for him being antagonistic before the much talked about “provocation” in other threads.** You say antogonistic, I say pointing out the obvious. Choose to disagree, I guess. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Kabbes_ > **…we’d all have been better served by letting him blow himself out and disappear.** Assuming that would have happened. Too bad we’ll never know for sure. You think he’d implode, I think he’d get along just fine, once the rag fest against him let up. Again, choose to disagree. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Kabbes_ > **What I have said is that he was spoiling for a fight, lashed out indiscriminately, assumed the worst in those addressing him and generally behaved in an exceedingly unpleasant fashion to all and sundry, regardless of tone, content or approach. I can’t believe anyone would dispute that!** It appears people are. ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/257 "2003-02-28T15:38:45Z")
**Desmostylus** – Do you think you could take things **more** out of context? That’s fucking pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/258 "2003-02-28T15:46:29Z")
I guess I’m just setting things up for the “Holy shit! Why was **CNoteChris** banned?” thread. ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/259 "2003-02-28T15:53:56Z")
Ah **Desmostylus** , you know threads like that aren’t allowed. You’d need to e-mail a moderator if you were wondering. And shoot. I wanted to stay out of all this and lurk from afar, especially since others were doing such a good job of stating what I was thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/260 "2003-02-28T16:43:06Z")
I’m alittle surprised at why some folk seem to be so exercised over this. Fortunately no one has expressly raised the “free speech/censorship” canard. But I feel much of the defense of the **Rev** gets quite close. This is a private message board, moderated by fallible humans. Sure, many of us may feel it has its merits, but it is what it is. Why would the **Rev** and his supporters wish to make it anything else? I am not aware of anyone having been banned for the context of their beliefs. Has it happened? Any thoughtful Nazis or pedophiles (if there are such creatures) been precluded from respectfully representing of their views? Instead, folks get banned for attitude. What type of communities do folk move in that they are surprised that an already existing community reserves the right to express an opinion on whether or not they wish to tolerate the attitude of a newcomer? I really liked **Sauron’s** analogy earlier about the cussing newcomer. Or I think of my martial arts experience. A new guy could come into the gym and be able to kick everyone’s ass, but no one would want to work with him if he were a jerk. And the flipside, I saw countless “tough guys” bend over backwards to work with folk who had little skill and ability, but had a non-aggressive/antagonistic/offensive attitude. If the **Rev** and his like seriously wish to reform the SDMB, they might find that a more subtle, gradual approach might have more effect. It is highly unlikely that they will be able to topple the evil cabal of SDMB mods with one clean shot. Moreover, to the folk who say the **Rev** was banned because he did not kiss ass - you are blatantly mischaracterizing what is required to exist, participate, and thrive on these boards. There is an incredibly broad continuum of behavior options ranging from kissing ass on one end, to being an ass on the other. I’d say you are pretty safe anywhere along that continuum except at the utmost extreme of assholiness. That is where the **Rev** chose to raise his flag. He could have moderated if he wished to, but he apparently didn’t. Great. That was his choice. But the repercussions were not unexpected. And what is the big deal? Why would he want to hang out here anyway? Oh yeah, whether I’m a newbie, oldie, or soewhere in the middley, I wasn’t even aware of the **Rev’s** existence until after he was banned. Apparently he just wasn’t of much interest to me. But I’m pretty capable of ignoring such stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/261 "2003-02-28T16:43:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by porcupine \* > \*\*I guess our definitions don’t agree. I’ve heard the usage of trolling in a fishing context - slowly motoring through with your bait in the water, trying to hook an unsuspecting “fish”, and reeling it in. The second usage of trolling I’ve heard is the ugly troll under the bridge that flings insults at people going over the bridge, and is much less subtle. Both usages denote active stirring up shit on-line. I fail to see how searching the web looking for information could be seen as trolling in either case. > \*\* There’s a definition of “trolling” that fits in nicley with what I perceive **Ogre** intended: 1. a. To wander about; ramble. b. _Slang._ To patrol an area in search for someone or something. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution restricted in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718.md?page=14)