# Reverend Mykeru banned. SDMB Pit vultures rejoice. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 26, 2003, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718 "2003-02-26T20:13:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2003, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/81 "2003-02-26T23:16:02Z")
Must be my thin skin, I seem to recall being somewhat insulted at being called a part of the “Christian Coalition circle jerk”, which apparently included anyone RM didn’t agree with. Since that was in the Robertson thread which came before the personal experience thread which was hijacked to the point where the tool thread was opened, I’d say you might not be correct there, **Ogre**. ---
**Author:** ![samarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@samarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samarm)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2003, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/82 "2003-02-26T23:27:59Z")
RM is, of course, reading all this, and probably loving the fact that he stirred up such a shit storm! ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2003, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/83 "2003-02-26T23:30:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by 2trew \* > \*\*Must be my thin skin, I seem to recall being somewhat insulted at being called a part of the “Christian Coalition circle jerk”, which apparently included anyone RM didn’t agree with. > > Since that was in the Robertson thread which came before the personal experience thread which was hijacked to the point where the tool thread was opened, I’d say you might not be correct there, **Ogre**. \*\* Wait. Link me, please, as I have searched all five pages of the “Pat Robertson has prostate cancer…and I’m glad!” thread, and I don’t see any such statement. I could be suffering from eye strain at this point. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2003, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/84 "2003-02-26T23:44:18Z")
Apparently your eyes are fine and my memory’s shot. If anybody knows what the hell I thought I was talking about, I’d appreciate it if they’d let me know. I “remember” reading it, I can’t find it, I withdraw the point. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2003, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/85 "2003-02-26T23:58:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CnoteChris \* > \*\ ***Anthracite** , you catching all this? \*\* Yes…but even with our recent conversation, because there were more than a few points you made, I am a little unclear on the context. Can you explain a little more for me? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/86 "2003-02-27T00:09:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ogre \* > \*\*Good lord, if I got “friendly advice” to “just turn around and walk away,” it’d look patronizing and condescending to me too. \*\* **Ogre** , I didn’t see anyone telling him to go away until he started in on how the board is run. Or was that in the Pat Robertson thread? At any rate, not everyone was telling him to go away. [Munch](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3047779#post3047779) appears to have genuinely been trying to help, and look what happened. BTW: the circle-jerk think was in the Tool thread. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/87 "2003-02-27T00:10:31Z")
:smack: Thing! Thing! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/88 "2003-02-27T00:13:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by 2trew \* > \*\*Must be my thin skin, I seem to recall being somewhat insulted at being called a part of the “Christian Coalition circle jerk”, which apparently included anyone RM didn’t agree with. > > Since that was in the Robertson thread which came before the personal experience thread which was hijacked to the point where the tool thread was opened, I’d say you might not be correct there, **Ogre**. \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by 2trew \* > **Apparently your eyes are fine and my memory’s shot. If anybody knows what the hell I thought I was talking about, I’d appreciate it if they’d let me know.** I’m afraid he used that phrase later, in the “Fucking Tool” thread. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/89 "2003-02-27T00:14:55Z")
Whoops. Didn’t preview and Jeff beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/90 "2003-02-27T00:19:03Z")
Well, it does increase the chance I’ll remember this time. ---
**Author:** ![byomtoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@byomtoob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/byomtoob)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/91 "2003-02-27T00:30:17Z")
Count me in the camp of those who believe RM was treated excessively. I seldom (never) post, but I’ve been reading this board for over a year. Please don’t welcome me, I’ll take that as patronizing. It seems to me the analogy of the “newbie” showing up at a party of a bunch old friends and drinking and swearing like everyone else is an appropriate one. Is it somewhere in the rules that you should “get to know people”, before plunging in with your viewpoint? Maybe it should be–since you get in deep do do if you don’t. I think all this back and forth really detracts from “fighting ignorance”. It just reveals it. I went to the guy’s website and sense he’s been around the “posting” world for a long time. I’m sure he took offense at folks telling him, “you’re new, let me tell you how it’s done”. I know I would–and I never really used Usenet like he did. I think there’s folks here with a lot of pent up frustrations that they’re taking out on people they don’t know. It was clearly a pile on. He wasn’t a troll. He wasn’t a sock puppet. He was accused of both. It clearly got a bit nasty. In my opinion he was baited. If banning is the proper antidote, I’d like to see the baiter(s) banned as well. Do that a few times, and a lot of this crap will die down. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/92 "2003-02-27T00:35:24Z")
I’m not sure if I’m sad to see a fellow **Rev** go, or happy that I’m unique again. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/93 "2003-02-27T00:38:04Z")
The guy _was_ new. To this board. Not exactly the best position in which to start telling moderators how to run things. If Mykeru has been around the posting world, he _should_ have know that the best way is to “get to know people,” or at least how the board operates. I’ll tell you, if I was hosting a party, and a random guest who I’d never met before came up to me and started telling me how to do things, I’d be a little annoyed too. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/94 "2003-02-27T00:40:31Z")
[Reverend Mykeru, you are such a fucking tool](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=163185). Intemperate thread title. Fine. Before even typing a word of that OP, I link to [Personal experience in SDMB debates](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=163126). The OP of that thread (I won’t reproduce it here) was about using the tragedy of personal experience as a trump card in debates on the board, and referenced a thread about Robertson although didn’t argue the specifics – only the questionable application of certain posters’ statements that their opinions had more weight because of their personal experience with cancer. The [third post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2994006#post2994006) to that thread is **Mykeru** ’s first there (where he links to his website, giving the lie, incidentally, to his claim that he never referenced his website on the SDMB until **Jeff Olsen** started questioning him about it). > [@](#): > > Point is, most people with cancer are not intolerant, crazy greed-head fear-mongers who, through the guise of faith healing, have defrauded and perhaps hastened the demise of countless people and, when striken with the same illness they claim to be able to cure in other people by divine intervention do not practice what they preach and resort to secular medicine instead. > > The expanded version is here: Pat Robertson’s Prostate > > I’m only sorry he has only one prostate to get cancer. Innocuous? No. Controversial? Yes. Wrong-headed? In my opinion, yes. Ban-worthy? Of course not. **RM** [further opines](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2994026#post2994026): > [@](#): > > ## Libertarian quote: > > The problem with Spiff’s thread, as I saw it, was that he was mocking the tragedy itself of Robertson’s situation. > > * * * > > You bet. > > You know what mockery is? Mockery is a faith healer like Robertson who gathers together the credulous and sick and lame and through deceit and psychological manipulation convinces said sick and lame to throw away their crutches, and even their medication, for no greater purpose than to clean out their wallet. > > Robertson should be mocked. He has spend a career preying on people’s fears and infirmities and this latest “situation” just highlights his hypocrisy. Here we have **iampunha** [weighing in](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2994050#post2994050): > [@](#): > > Point is, he was guilty of the same thing Robertson is reviled for: hate. > > Mykeru meanwhile sets up an excellent example of how not to be gracious. “only sorry he has only one prostate to get cancer” indeed. And [**RM** ’s response](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2994089#post2994089): > [@](#): > > Shrug\*. It’s obvious that you have little idea who Robertson is and what he does, or that you approve. > > Frankly, considering all the vile, hateful, hurtful and intolerant things Robertson has said in his long career as a professional fund raiser for Jesus and considering not only the vast number of people he has not only fleeced, but probably sent to an earlier grave via “faith healing”, I stand by my commments. > > Incidentally, I was similarly ungracious when Jeffrey Dahmer was beaten to death in prison and I would be equally ungracious had God killed Oral Roberts for not raising $8 million dollars. > > But thank you for setting an admirable example by being so amorally gracious towards conmen and murderers. So we have **RM** first accusing **iampunha** of being a Robertson supporter as well as amoral, and also establishing what will become a consistent pattern of arguing that Robertson is a bad guy whenever he is challenged on any point. Suffice it to say (the links are there) that he goes on to take extreme measures in defense of the Robertson hijack. He also starts a godawful Godwin’s Law hijack that spans a few dozen posts. Regarding “At no point before you started your pit thread was Reverend Mykeru insulting to any poster in the Pat Robertson thread”: [ > [@](#): > > Asshat. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2994149#post2994149](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2994149#post2994149)) [ > [@](#): > > This must be related to some general reading comprehion problem…it’s obvious that you performing fellatio on your own appendix…Well, as long as you are predicting, and while your head is there, can you pull some lottery numbers out that fundamental orifice of yours? ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2994754#post2994754](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2994754#post2994754)) [ > [@](#): > > I don’t fault you for having a loose grasp of language. I commend you for graduating from Yerkes Elementary School into the real world where you don’t always get a slice of apple evertime you press the right button, intentionally or not. I look forward to your random typing of Hamlet which will become available, I assume, some time before the heat death of the universe. I do, however, fault you for wearing your ignorance like a badge of honor and waving it around like some deviant at a nudist camp wearing an obvious prosthetic shlong…Words don’t mean whatever you want them to mean at any given time. They actually have meaning all by themselves and you know, for hundreds of years people have written these meanings down in books without asking your opinion. > > Feel free to print out this post, roll it in a tight cylinder and shove it up your sphincter to to break the vacuum keeping your head up there. > > And you are welcome. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2994861#post2994861](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2994861#post2994861)) [ > [@](#): > > I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are actively attempting to feign complete obtuseness rather than assume that you do, in fact, have a couple extra chromosomes…Hey, nice way to hijack a thread by invoking Godwin’s Law, fuckwit. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2994930#post2994930](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2994930#post2994930)) And at that point I made my contribution by starting [Reverend Mykeru, you are such a fucking tool](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=163185), referenced there by [my post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2995255#post2995255) > [@](#): > > If we’ve made our way past the second idiotic hijack, I think I’ve done my part to damage-control the first. > > Reverend Mykeru, you are such a fucking tool. > > Although I see that mhendo has given the degeneration of this thread his blessing, I thought the OP was interesting, and since we already had one thread about what an asshole Pat Robertson is, it doesn’t seem like we need another. Especially since nobody’s debating that point but the knucklehead Reverend. Reverend Mykeru, you are of that most dangerous breed of complete idiot: you know just enough about how to argue coherently to be dangerous. Which characterization, by the way, I stand by fully. So can we agree that you were wrong when you said he was never insulting before I started that thread? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/db5fbb/32.png) [@Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/95 "2003-02-27T00:48:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Munch \* > Is that at all possible? Sure it is. Look at **grimredspectreofreddeath** ’s trainwreck of a start here. He spent the first 75 of his posts in the Pit, was warned that’s not a good way to start out, branched out, and people accepted him as a contributing member who got on people’s nerves. As a point of order, I’ve only had two run-ins with the administration in my SDMB career. The first occured when **Tuba** added spaces to my name (the length was causing table problems), the second when I asked her to change it to something smaller. Both instances were exceedingly pleasant. I was never, even in those heady first days, threatened or warned by any mod. But, uh, thanks for the mention. 🙂 BTW, there’s one to many **red** s in there. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/96 "2003-02-27T00:48:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by White Lightning \* > \*\*So can we agree that you were wrong when you said he was never insulting before I started that thread? Thanks. \*\* Geez, White Lightning, you’re such a tool…😉 ---
**Author:** ![Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/db5fbb/32.png) [@Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/97 "2003-02-27T00:50:51Z")
Sorry, **Munch**. Rereading that, it doesn’t look like you were talking about _official_ warnings at all. 🙂 I gotta remember, read twice, post once! ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/98 "2003-02-27T00:51:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ogre \* > \*\*Ah, you misunderstand me, **Sauron**. I am not saying you were actually being condescending. I’m saying that from an embattled position, where one is not only trying to defend one’s initial viewpoint, but also dealing with egregious insults to one’s humanity, masculinity, family lineage, personal hygeine, and upbringing, a well-meaning interloper who posts that he should retreat from the field of battle may be **seen** (understandably) as condescending. > > After all, why should he have to back off his opinion just because some one posts that he is “such a fucking tool?” Do you honestly expect him to say, if he still believes his initial viewpoint, that he does not? \*\* I totally agree **Ogre**. Well said. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/99 "2003-02-27T01:03:39Z")
Nobody ever asked him to back off his opinion. He wasn’t initially attacked solely for his opinions. He wasn’t banned for his opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2003, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-banned-sdmb-pit-vultures-rejoice/157718/100 "2003-02-27T01:53:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ogre \* > \*\*There is a tendency here to roast newbies. Now, if those newbies are really trolls (see also, your garden variety “Evolution su\>\