# Reverend Mykeru, you are such a fucking tool **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2003, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150 "2003-02-14T20:55:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/61 "2003-02-20T15:43:33Z")
Ouch. When you and the “barage” of people claiming intellectual superiority are done sniping at each other, maybe we could start again: Welcome to the SDMB. You’ll find a range of thoughtful and intelligent folks here, plus as they say, a few total dipshits. Are their forums without dipshits? You seem to have a lot of experience on various forums: Which ones do you prefer and why? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/62 "2003-02-20T15:51:40Z")
Key Words I’d like to emphasize in your previous post **Mykeru** : Sheer rabidness of **SOME** of the reactions… Within a **handful** of posts… A **handful** of posters… **some** of you people… I could go on, but I think you get the point. Don’t judge the Straight Dope Message Board by the reactions of a few. And even some of those few you rail against so vehemently are actually quite intelligent and well-spoken, but they are not infallible. Sometimes people overreact; sometimes people enjoy getting people to overreact too. Go figure. But it may not be a bad idea if you stick around awhile, check out other threads in other forums, before you go off on your tirade on your site. But you are free to do as you wish of course. And it should be “Rumors of my being “slammed” are greatly **exagerrated**.” ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/63 "2003-02-20T15:53:06Z")
Figures… **exaggerated.** ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/64 "2003-02-20T16:10:46Z")
Rev., the problem from my perspective is that at first glance you appear to have come just to make waves. Looking at your posting history now, I wouldn’t classify it as trolling (something I would have labelled you as earlier this week), but as overly defensive. When that happens, as it often does on other boards as well, the regulars come down pretty hard. Why? Because when a new user has the majority of his posts in the Pit, odds are this is a poster that doesn’t have the best intentions of contributing towards the board. Is that entirely fair? Probably not. My take is that when you had that “handful of regulars” accuse you of being a troll/puppet/etc. you got on the defensive immediately, and saw those attacks as purely 100% against all of your arguments. I’d recommend you take some time off, read over that horrid thread again, and try to see where we were coming from. You were also quick to lump people into a convenient category (as you called anyone arguing against you a Robertson defender), and things spiralled down from there. All in all, just not a good start. You’ve shown you’re damn well capable of holding an intelligent conversation - I’d just recommend not placing yourself in a position where you’re in the middle of the firefight, and have to defend yourself from all angles of attack. Being cornered doesn’t do much for one’s disposition. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/65 "2003-02-20T16:20:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grendel72 \* > \*\*You’re kidding, right? > I suppose that everyone who chooses not to list their e-mail addy must be a sock puppet in your tiny little world. \*\* No, not everyone but I have seen a tendency among the trolls to have no email address listed. Frankly, I don’t give a shit what the Reverend is but it does strike me as odd for someone to hide their email address hidden here when all any one of us has to do us go to his fucking website! Excuse me for being logical. ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/66 "2003-02-20T16:33:45Z")
I really thought hard about posting this for the simple fact that I consider some of the people in this thread as great friends (and still do). I hope it is taken as constructive advice instead of criticism. * * * Holy hell guys, step back for a second. Reverend Mykeru’s opinions regarding Pat Robinson is not the end of the world. I too think it is a sick commentary on his life when he uses conventional medical treatment using the money he scammed off of the people he “healed” with prayer. I am having a hard time mustering up compassion for him. Anyway, that’s neither here nor there. I just spent some time reading some of Reverend Mykeru’s posts and in spite of his sarcastic assholish behavior (I can’t say that I can blame him for some of it), he certain seems intelligent and articulate and would probable be an asset to the SDMB if given the chance. Newbies, especially those with strong opinions or have a good grasp at coding, do not equal sock puppets. I am embarrassed that we have given a new person the impression we are paranoid and so self-centered as a message board that we fail to realize there are others out there that use the same posting and coding procedures. In my not so humble opinion, one of the things that has brought the board down a bit in the last year or so is the eagerness to run off newbies, especially those with strong personalities or opinions. Sure, it’s a good technique to ward off the trolls, socks, and idiots, but in the process we are running off good people. We need to be a little bit more willing to give a newbie time to shine or time to shoot themselves in the foot before we start slamming doors. I expect that a few people will chime in with examples of newbies that have fit in nicely and have had no problems, which is true, but take a look closer - these are typically posters who have conformed to mold of what is allowable in our perceived “clique”. I dunno about the rest of you, but I like diversity. I hope he sticks around. Reverend - relax a bit, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/67 "2003-02-20T16:52:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Reverend Mykeru \* > **And who in fuck is Suspenders? Am I supposed to be his sock puppet or something?** I was not accusing you of being anyone’s sock puppet. I would have been obvious about it if I was. > [@](#): > > \*\* I swear, I have never been on a forum with this level of paranoia. You people really are bound to end up in the jungles of Guyana sipping Kool-Aid.\*\* Then why don’t you go away instead of complaining how bad it is here? > [@](#): > > \*\* > Um, dumb fuck. Let me explain: You doubt I own the web site, if I don’t how am I going to get an email from the address on that site? \*\* See my response to **grendel**. > [@](#): > > \*\*Holy shit. I was just called a moron by a well, moron. Everything resets to zero. Life goes on. > > Buggers the question of how, if I don’t own the site, I am going to get email sent to that site’s email address and then post my item for 20 February about how this poster “Jeff Olsen” is much less intelligent than a rhesus monkey who has spent all its developmental years being tested for the effects of black tar heroin on cognitive ability. \*\* The old “I know you are but what am I” defense. Brilliant! :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > \*\* > Hmmn, No private messages, can’t edit posts, dumb ass moderators and paranoid posters. \*\* The mods here have enough trouble with trolls let alone trolls who can send private messages or go back and change or delete their posts. Disabling PMs and edit/delete functions cuts down on needless busywork so moderators can actually moderate. > [@](#): > > \*\*This forum is getting to be like the time I was taking the train from Qifu to Beijing and came across my first Chinese toilet. On a moving train, no less. \*\* I hate to repeat myself but, really, why don’t you go away instead of complaining how bad it is here? OTOH, If you do plan on staying here, you really should learn to get used to how this message board works instead of trying to get it to change to your needs. There have been plenty of others who tried that before you came along, especially when we were leasing space from of AOL. Some of them eventually became productive members while others never bothered to join up when this site became active in spring of '99. And we don’t miss them one bit. ---
**Author:** ![Super\_Gnat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Super\_Gnat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Super_Gnat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/68 "2003-02-20T17:12:14Z")
You know, College Park. As in University of Maryland, College Park. Terrapins, won the NCAA men’s basketball championship last year. Like three miles from DC. Though it’s rather obvious now that you don’t go to college here. Oh yeah, and please stick around. Personally I think you’re being horribly tasteless, but not an outright jerk. ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/69 "2003-02-20T17:22:21Z")
**White Lightning** , do you remember how you started off on these boards? Do you remember how a reg misunderstood what you were saying and started a pile-on? And how I had to get in there and bash some heads together? And look what an excellent board member _you_ have become. Well it’s time to step back and take a deep breath here. When someone comes along who is articulate and quick, it isn’t the time to start running them straight out of Dodge without consideration as to what they are saying. A see a few people that I love on these boards beeing a wee quick here to put words into other people’s mouths. On another point: y’all have to realise that **Rev** is right - there _are_ other boards out there. Posters will arrive on these boards as already moulded, fully-fledged message board regs, so we shouldn’t be surprised when they act that way. **Reverend** , I posted a couple of hundred times on the Darwin boards myself about a year ago. I believe that I remember you vaguely from that time. It may interest you to know that the reason I stopped posting there was that the Darwin Forums simply can’t hold a candle to the SDMB. Despite what you have, admittedly, experienced so far, the posters here make the posters there look like a bunch of neanderthals that are incapable of stringing two sentences together. Oh - and we have no **Zest** here either. pan ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/70 "2003-02-20T17:33:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kabbes \* > **On another point: y’all have to realise that Rev is right - there _are_ other boards out there. Posters will arrive on these boards as already moulded, fully-fledged message board regs, so we shouldn’t be surprised when they act that way.** Right, and not all boards have the same social interaction of course. Hopfeully when regs from other boards finally find their way here they will learn to adapt to us instead of expecting us to adapt to them. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/71 "2003-02-20T17:59:50Z")
Snobbish, isolationist, and incredibly lacking in depth, but noteworthy. Thanks for the tip. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/72 "2003-02-20T18:04:27Z")
Shhhhhhhhhhh. Don’t tell anybody, but the **Rev.** is growing on me. Sorry for the rude welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Reverend\_Mykeru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@Reverend\_Mykeru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverend_Mykeru)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/73 "2003-02-20T18:05:24Z")
**kabbes** > [@](#): > > Reverend, I posted a couple of hundred times on the Darwin boards myself about a year ago. I believe that I remember you vaguely from that time.[…] > Oh - and we have no Zest here either. I think **Zest** was a little before my time. I date from the **Doctor X** debacle where everyone was Doctor X’s sock puppet, the rise of the **Collective™** outright rebellion against Northcutt and the Emily Post Fascists and the subsequent purge following “Darwin’s” complete meltdown. **Jeff Olsen** > [@](#): > > Right, and not all boards have the same social interaction of course. Hopfeully when regs from other boards finally find their way here they will learn to adapt to us instead of expecting us to adapt to them. First off, adaptation wasn’t the issue. The issue was that some people thought it was suspect when I knew vB code and means of quoting, etc. and therefore pegged me as a sock puppet, as if the SD is the only forum on the fucking planet. Secondly, adapt to this board? What in fuck does that mean? Does that mean I have to be even more of an asshole? Does that mean I have to be a thin-skinned ranting fuckwad that starts threads that have no other purpose than heap ad hominem abuse on people and set fire to strawmen? Look at the thread you are in. Honestly. After explaining ad nauseum and more or less reasonably in the other thread that I didn’t have glee about Robertson and his cancerous prostate, just a lack of sympathy due to his faith healer shennanigans and his hypocrisy of talking the talk about being healed by Jesus without walking the walk, the OP in this thread contains: > [@](#): > > But what’s this? The entirety of his argument seems to be that since Pat Robertson was such a hateful person, and wished death on others, it’s fully justified, defensible, even necessary to wish it on him! > > Virtually every post by RM reads as a highlight reel of how to come off as the biggest idiot possible while debating, but one post in particular caught my eye and inspired me to start this thread. Oh yeah, that’s a pretty good capsule summary of my argument. Yeah. Let’s sniff more Drano. Of course, after distorting my point, making up others and beginning a thread in which they can practice grade school insults, they then get all bent out of shape when I note their troll-like behavior. Speaking of being an idiot, the poster also claims that I hijacked the thread when, in fact, it was one of your board regulars that went off on some side rant about Godwin’s Law, even though I wasn’t the first one to cite Hitler and Jeffrey Dahmer. That was **ivylass** , and then **Burner** (Go ahead, check it) and then others, but they were not a perceived “newbie” and so \*\*iampunha \*\* held off on deploying Godwin’s Law until he came across someone he though never heard of it before. Because, after all, if you have only a handful of posts on the Straight Dope one must be new to the net. I wonder if some of you Straight Dopers are the same people who, in the past, have threatened to complain about my various sites to AOL, even though I don’t use AOL, on the assumption that AOL is the internet. Maybe not. Maybe morons don’t always congregate. Not that I’m complaining. I’ve seen worse on boards, but don’t think I’m going to adapt to your tactics, oh noble Straight Dopers. So far I am remarkably unimpressed. Even your Amida Buddha sage **Polycarp** is nothing more than a bag of gas that quickly turns flatulent. Sorry, was I mean to Poly? Did I have a moral obligation to let him talk smack like the Church Lady with a blocked colon? Silly me. I failed to adapt. It’s rather hard, I would think, to continue to treat this board and these posters as the end all in net forums when so far I have seen nothing but loosely glued paranoid idiots seeing trolls and sock puppets under there bed, who distort other people’s arguments just for the sake of having something to beat on, and couldn’t argue their way to the sidewalk after jumping off the roof. _spit_ The only saving grace is that the caliber of idiots here are free material. ---
**Author:** ![Reverend\_Mykeru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@Reverend\_Mykeru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverend_Mykeru)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/74 "2003-02-20T18:08:20Z")
**NurseCarmen** > [@](#): > > Shhhhhhhhhhh. > Don’t tell anybody, but the Rev. is growing on me. > Sorry for the rude welcome. Does this mean I have failed to be a consistent asshole? Speaking of which, I am still traumatized by the time a nurse took the thermometer out of my mouth and asked “Why does this one say ‘_rectal_’?”. Just a nod to the continuing SD ass fixation. ---
**Author:** ![Reverend\_Mykeru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@Reverend\_Mykeru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverend_Mykeru)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/75 "2003-02-20T18:15:14Z")
**Super Gnat** > [@](#): > > You know, College Park. As in University of Maryland, College Park. Terrapins, won the NCAA men’s basketball championship last year. Like three miles from DC. Though it’s rather obvious now that you don’t go to college here. Nope. I got my degree at NAU in Flagstaff, AZ. I am not from here, I came here from New York by way of Arizona. > [@](#): > > Oh yeah, and please stick around. Personally I think you’re being horribly tasteless, but not an outright jerk. Horribly tasteless is a lifestyle choice. Oh, by the way, **Jeff Olsen** I think your defense of perhaps the dumbest bit of paranoid ad hoc crap is exceptionally amusing. Please find more tell-tale signs of my sock puppetry so I can have more material for the web site that is not mine. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/76 "2003-02-20T18:18:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Reverend Mykeru \* > \*\*Does this mean I have failed to be a consistent asshole? > \*\* _Nnnnah_. More like an _endearing_ asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/77 "2003-02-20T18:32:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Reverend Mykeru \* > \*\*Please find more tell-tale signs of my sock puppetry so I can have more material for the web site that is not mine. \*\* :sigh: Where in the **hell** did I call a sock puppet? Yes, I do find it odd that you hide your email here yet right out in the open on **your** website. You’re telling us to learn to read? Frinds and neighbors, it seems we’ve encountered the King of Chutzpah! Plus living proof that some ignorance just can’t be fought. Y’all can squbble amongst yourselves. :exits thread: ---
**Author:** ![Reverend\_Mykeru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@Reverend\_Mykeru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverend_Mykeru)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/78 "2003-02-20T18:39:38Z")
Aww, Jeff, now that you have buggered off you can’t see this **[Public Notice](http://www.mykeru.com/pages/public_notice.htm)** which, since I don’t own that domain according to you, can’t be there anyway. Just as well, the cognitive dissonance would throw you. ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/79 "2003-02-20T18:45:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Right, and not all boards have the same social interaction of course. Hopfeully when regs from other boards finally find their way here they will learn to adapt to us instead of expecting us to adapt to them. Jeff, I too have been around for a very long time (a few years on the old AOL board and then here) and know that we have created a quality board by running the idiots and assholes away. Lately however, I have noticed that some people have taken this one step further by chasing away people who might not fit the mold tightly enough or don’t sniff enough butts before they voice their opinion. I think we have lost some potentially good members because we didn’t give them a chance. Reverend is articulate and certainly appears to be intelligent. He is also sarcastic and brutal, but ya know what? Those are the same qualities we applaud our regs whenever they post a rant or flame an asshole. I’m not trying to be obtuse, but in all honesty tell me - Is it because of the things he actually said or the fact that he is a newbie? Are you spun around because a newbie had the nerve to voice a strong opinion and stick to it or that maybe he didn’t sneak in the door quietly and fall into the mold without waves? Would your opinion of his posts be different if a respected reg name was listed as author instead of someone we just heard of? He may be a complete asshole or it may be that he just got off on the wrong foot that expanded when it was applied that he is a sock. He may end up a valuable member of the SDMB or he may leave or get banned. I am just bothered that the decision is being made by others, prematurely ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2003, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150/80 "2003-02-20T18:45:48Z")
Mykeru I’m beginning to like you as well. Just by way of orientation, you’re a bit of Collounsbury (he’s banned), a bit of David B (he’s unbannable), and a bit of me (I’m insane). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverend-mykeru-you-are-such-a-fucking-tool/155150.md?page=5)