# "Reverse Misogyny", e.g. in Killing Eve **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 13, 2020, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverse-misogyny-e-g-in-killing-eve/846345 "2020-01-13T11:37:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverse-misogyny-e-g-in-killing-eve/846345/21 "2020-01-13T21:36:11Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Yes. I’m wondering what “message” if any the scriptwriters are sending. I also wonder about viewers’ attitudes about the scenes. > > Can we all agree that some simple {Man == Woman} equivalences fail categorically? Have you ever complained the 5 zillion times male characters have behaved this way to female characters? Did it bother you then? You can’t even think of any other examples of this happening with roles reversed - you’re asking everyone else if they can think of any other time it’s happened. You’re ridiculously bothered by seeing it happen once. Welcome to our world. Do you really think that women never treat men badly? Do you think it should never be portrayed as an example of sociopathic behavior? ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverse-misogyny-e-g-in-killing-eve/846345/22 "2020-01-13T21:37:34Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Yes. Villanelle might have tortured the guy upside-down, rather than just sending him out for coffee. > > But — remember the ambiguous title _Killing Eve_ — Eve has “gone through some changes;” is she becoming -pathic herself? Is her relationship with Villanelle just hate-hate, or is it Love-Hate? > In the relevant episodeShortly after sending her lover out for coffee, she finds him stabbed and bleeding and in need of urgent medical care. She makes small effort to help, and ends up chasing the bad guy without calling 9-1-1 (or rather its Roman equivalent) . > > But this is all tangential to my thread’s purpose, which was predicated on the assumption that > _**Female dominance episodes (using the Killing Eve example ONLY for clarity), are commonplace nowadays in movies and TV.**_ > _Is my assumption even true?_ > > Can others help me think of examples OTHER than _Killing Eve_ where such scenario(s) are present? Meh, I used to see it all the time in the early years of Grey’s Anatomy (I haven’t watched later episodes, so don’t know if it’s still there.) That is, the show featured many scenes of reversal of stereotyped roles where the guy wants a relationship and the woman just wants sex. There was one episode where Christina (Sandra Oh) says something to Meredith about guys being like 1950s debutantes. Is it misandry? No, because it plays against stereotype. There’s nothing inherently demeaning in portraying someone as the one who wants to cuddle and for the sex to mean something. Normally, we see women stereotyped as emotionally needy. The one-person-is-hot-the-other-cold is a classic conflict. How would you rather it be portrayed? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverse-misogyny-e-g-in-killing-eve/846345/23 "2020-01-13T22:00:20Z")
_Nowhere did I say that I object to this gender-reversing scenario._ (Or whatever it should be called.) To the contrary, I’m just trying to understand its parameters and how it applies in the real (non-TV, non-movie) world. ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverse-misogyny-e-g-in-killing-eve/846345/24 "2020-01-13T22:30:50Z")
Sorry, to even notice this and consider it worth remarking on is sexist. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverse-misogyny-e-g-in-killing-eve/846345/25 "2020-01-13T22:33:46Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Say what? It’s a classic case of reversing the normal male-dominated practice. So rather than being reverse-sexism, it is intended to shine a light on classic sexist tropes itself. She’s acting as a male might in plenty of movies/television. So “It is bad when Y does it, but good when X does it, because X’s bad behavior is really a reflection of Y?” ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverse-misogyny-e-g-in-killing-eve/846345/26 "2020-01-13T22:44:25Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > So “It is bad when Y does it, but good when X does it, because X’s bad behavior is really a reflection of Y?” Has anyone defended Eve’s behavior on this thread? When a marginalized group person switches roles and does something that the dominant group person generally does it tends to shine a greater light as to why said act is problematic due to dominant group people feeling a little bit as to what marginalized group people have been feeling by those actions. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverse-misogyny-e-g-in-killing-eve/846345/27 "2020-01-14T05:08:24Z")
Bond never had sex with a convenient woman specifically because he was listening in on a the same sex killer villain and was turned on. That really was the key feature of that event. He was not attractive to her in his own right at all, he was just available to use for her self-pleasuring while fantasizing about Villanelle. The sexual tension and driver of the scene was Eve and Villanelle. Jessica Jones’ casual sex might be more apt except that the man was a jerk. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reverse-misogyny-e-g-in-killing-eve/846345.md?page=1)