The Nazis initiated the violence, and we know this because the Nazis were NAZIS. Why you continue to carry water for them is beyond me.
So in other words, you don’t know what happened and are speculating. Additionally, instead of addressing the point of the topic you degenerate into name calling. Is it really so hard to A) stay on topic B) be objective?
Oh, here are your “peaceful” radical leftists at Berkeley? Where are the Nazis? The victims being beat on the ground are de-facto Nazis? Because NAZIS!!!11!!
I know exactly what happened. Armed Nazis held a rally shouting incitements to violence, then they murdered a woman.
I’m being objective. Nazis are objectively wrong, and anyone who refuses to acknowledge that Nazis are objectively wrong is also objectively wrong.
I do not advocate violence in the name of social justice and fully repudiate anyone who thinks violence is a valid means to effecting positive social change.
You’d say the same if you weren’t, for reasons I cannot speculate about in this forum, obsessed with defending the idea that there must be Nazis who are good upstanding members of the community that always use their left and right turn indicators and are being viciously preyed upon by violent and evil anti-fascists.
I am clearly saying that violence employed to enact political change in the US and to suppress fundamental rights is counterproductive. Why people feel the need to twist and spin that to be a negative is puzzling.
No, you’re saying that we shouldn’t take down statues through a lawful and democratic process, or even suggest in public that we should, because doing so will inspire vandals and criminals to do bad stuff and then somehow it’ll become illegal for you to watch Gone With the Wind.
The Nazis who marched talked about committing violence before the event, were on video committing violence at the event, and their leaders afterwards attempted to justify and praise the violence they committed after the event.
Considering all this, I think it’s entirely reasonable to place the vast majority of the blame on the Nazis.
…is a sentence I never thought would have to be said in 2017. And yet, here we are.
Someone is Humpty Dumptying my words.
Swap antifa for Nazi and that sentence would still be, paradoxically, just as true.
No it wouldn’t. Antifa didn’t kill people, the Nazis did. Antifa didn’t attempt to justify killing people afterwards, the Nazis did.
Why is it so important, to you or anyone else, that antifa (or anti-Nazis in general) be seen as just as bad as Nazis? It seems more obvious than just about anything that they are not nearly as bad as Nazis and white supremacists.
“Violence” and “killing” aren’t the same thing.
Nobody has been killed by Antifa, as far as we know of, but there have been stabbings, brick-throwings, the flinging of urine and feces, etc.
There have been lots and lots of killings by Nazis/neo-Nazis and white supremacists. If one side kills a lot of people and then tries to justify killing people, and the other side doesn’t kill anyone or try to justify killing people, then it’s entirely reasonable to blame the pro-killing side for the majority of the violence. The act of killing is much, much more violent than non-deadly acts of violence.
People wear Nazi symbols too, doesn’t mean they don’t stand for Nazism, or that Nazism is cool because people wear it.
The number of people who know that the statues were put up as symbols of white power and celebrating the oppression of blacks is actually growing; that’s why more and more people want them down. The real problem is that people who want the racist monuments to remain are either willfully ignoring history or support the racist intent behind the statues, though they refuse to admit it.
No, it’s you folks, the people who defend monuments to racism and the rape, torture, and murder of black people that give them their power. They would be gone if apologists for white supremacist monuments like yourself would stop opposing their removal and desperately passing laws to prevent localities from taking them down when the people who live in a town don’t want them anymore.
The statues were put up originaly for political purposes, wanting them taken down because their political purpose is abhorrent makes perfect sense. The ‘end game’ is not having statues celebrating racism and the murder, rape, and torture of black people.
No, he knows exactly what happened and is using the correct term for Nazis. As Mike Godwin, the creator of Godwin’s law says: “By all means, compare these shitheads to the Nazis. Again and again. I’m with you.”
No one (as far as I know) says they’re “terribly dangerous and scary.” People are saying they’re offensive.
This recent controversy has educated a lot of people pretty quickly. Isn’t that better than “over time?” That is what there is to be gained. That, and the removal of some offensive symbols. What is lost? Not much.
Most people don’t care one way or another. Those who are upset about “change” will probably get over it. Those who are upset about losing these symbols of hate are deplorable.
The end game is bending the arch of history a little more towards justice. A society a little less offensive and a little more understanding. Consciousness raising seems like a good end game.
I wish the Nazis had ruined the Nazi eagle. Pretty ace, Roman looking symbol.
Breitbart just informed me that the most fearsome antifa in the world is the Bucyrus, Ohio antifa. They are like the Kim Jong Un of rural Ohio.
So far, they’ve claimed the head of Col Crawford in his namesake county and the tavern of Col Brooks in Washington DC. Next up, they are going sick with reefer madness and they are going to burn the Capitol, invite ISIL to a dinner party, and hold a massive fundraiser at the premiere of “Exit Through the Gift Shop Two: The Reckoning.”
To be fair, Antifa is less about “anti-fascism” and more about pro-Social Anarchism. Just because they are not as bad as Nazis, does not mean they are good people. They have their own agenda, just as the Nazis do. I dislike both.
Cite?
Too bad that there is no “Real Life” entry on TVTropes’ “Word of God”.
Yet.
