Revolutionary [War] Statue Destroyed

[Smapti]

@Reddy_Mercury

Antifa wants to deconstruct America completely and start anew

We do? I must have missed that meeting. Hold on, let me check my membership packet…

and the SJWs wish to impose their moral sentiments on who we are allowed to celebrate and who we are supposed to despise, and they use social intimidation tactics (doxxing, getting people fired from their jobs, etc) to entrench their narrative.

It’s not “doxing” someone if they show their face in public waving a Nazi flag. You have no expectation of privacy in a public park. And “Nazi” isn’t a protected class; if your boss wants to fire you for being a Nazi, he can.

[Kimstu]

@Reddy Mercury

the SJWs wish to impose their moral sentiments on who we are allowed to celebrate and who we are supposed to despise

What does that even mean, exactly? Some people have “moral sentiments” about who’s admirable and who’s despicable, and they express those sentiments. How exactly is that “imposing” or “allowing”?

You do not have a constitutional right to be free from other people disapproving of you (or of what you choose to celebrate) on moral grounds, and it seems rather snowflakey to feel aggrieved because some of them do.

@Reddy Mercury

and they use social intimidation tactics (doxxing, getting people fired from their jobs, etc)

As Smapti pointed out, it’s not “doxxing” if people are publicizing your public behavior. And if you get fired because you openly behaved like an asshole in public, and some disapproving person drew that to your boss’s attention and your boss doesn’t want to employ assholes, tough luck. “Asshole” is not a protected category any more than “Nazi” is.

[octopus]

@E-DUB

Reddy Mercury wrote: “Is that a threat?” No, just an observation.
Octopus wrote:“Good luck with that concept when two hostile mobs choose to engage.”
Again, mobs don’t choose anything, individuals do. Also, I should add, that in the above instance Mister Schicklegruber’s buddies are within their rights to restrain me until the cops can effect an arrest. Restrain me, not beat me senseless or run me over with their car.

And I suppose all the talk of an army doing this or a corporation doing that are completely inaccurate? Mob violence is a real thing.

[madmonk28]

You ever notice that everyone of these threads about statutes started by right wingers ends up with them defending Nazis, then they wander off and start a new thread?

[Velocity]

@Reddy_Mercury

I am a history nut. My sister would throw away pictures of people in our family she felt needed to be erased. She would cut others of photographs so that future generations wouldn’t know they existed. I suppose my own reactionary nature with regard to these issues comes from seeing how history can be violated in the wrong hands. I do not trust history to be in the hands of the Neo-Nazis, the Confederate sympathizers, SJWs, or Antifa. I feel each has an agenda beyond mere preservation of history.

The Confedrates wish to alter history by presenting the Confederates as valiant heroes; this is wrong and inaccurate. It is a distortion. The Neo-Nazis wish to venerate people they feel are exemplars of the “master race” and wish to repaint the Nazis as valiant heroes against “the Global Elites.” This is also wrong, and inaccurate. They use violence and fear to achieve these goals.

Antifa wants to deconstruct America completely and start anew; and the SJWs wish to impose their moral sentiments on who we are allowed to celebrate and who we are supposed to despise, and they use social intimidation tactics (doxxing, getting people fired from their jobs, etc) to entrench their narrative.

History should be left in the hands of qualified, objective observers and preservers. Ideally such people would take a gray view of morality and be able to separate the good aspects of a historical figure from the ill.

This.

A thousand times this.

[iiandyiiii]

@Velocity

This.

A thousand times this.

None of this, except possibly the weirdness about SJWs, appears to be actually arguing with the other posters in this thread. Moving or removing statues, as has been proposed lately, has nothing to do with a desire to erase history.

[k9bfriender]

@Reddy_Mercury

I am a history nut. My sister would throw away pictures of people in our family she felt needed to be erased. She would cut others of photographs so that future generations wouldn’t know they existed. I suppose my own reactionary nature with regard to these issues comes from seeing how history can be violated in the wrong hands. I do not trust history to be in the hands of the Neo-Nazis, the Confederate sympathizers, SJWs, or Antifa. I feel each has an agenda beyond mere preservation of history.

Just out of curiosity, did your sister also get ahold of the negatives and destroy those as well, or was it just the print copies that she cut up?

You are giving your sister too much power here. The fact that she is able to cut a picture out, or throw another away, does not change or erase the history of those people. They still lived and did the same things either way, and her destruction of some prints does not change that.

[octopus]

@madmonk28

You ever notice that everyone of these threads about statutes started by right wingers ends up with them defending Nazis, then they wander off and start a new thread?

Ever notice you are just derailing a thread with made up accusations? It’s a common tactic around here.

[begbert2]

@octopus

Ever notice you are just derailing a thread with made up accusations? It’s a common tactic around here.

octopus is right - it’s utterly false to accuse him of wandering off. He’s right here!
Speaking of derailing the thread, what was the thread about again?

Is it that a single instance of some statue being vandalized is merely the first instance of a wave of statue decapitations that will sweep across the country destroying all art?

Is it that by removing statues honoring the confederate rebellion and slavery we will be possessed by mind worms and forced down the slippery slope of removing all statues of everyone who ever did anything bad?

Is it that by recognizing that these confederate statues suck and removing them, the statues will be granted unholy powers and rise up again to dominate our hearts and minds for decades to come?

Is it that you think that changing anything at all is a sign of weakness (if liberals want it)?

[madmonk28]

@begbert2

octopus is right - it’s utterly false to accuse him of wandering off. He’s right here!
Speaking of derailing the thread, what was the thread about again?..

I don’t know, it’s like they all have Google Alerts for the subject statue and each one requires a new thread. If someone desecrates a Ronald McDonald statue in Boise, I expect we’ll have a new thread on it within the hour.

As far as I can tell, someone vandalized a statue of a revolutionary war figure. That’s bad. We don’t know who did it, it could have been a political statement, it could have been Bart Simpson from back when the show was great. Regardless, it is very important.