Thanks to @JohnT for linking to this Public Notice article. Public Notice is liberal commentator and Vox writer Aaron Rupar’s Substack page. Rupar has made his 4/17 interview with Democratic election wonk Simon Rosenberg “Why the Trump campaign is in deeper trouble than you think” free to view, so I will quote at length below. This section has very little filler for its length.
Regarding JFK, Jr.:
Aaron Rupar:
How worried are you about RFK Jr peeling votes from Biden, and how to you think Democrats should handle him?Simon Rosenberg:
It’s important when you talk about third party movements to recognize that the most important of them today is the “never Trump” or “never MAGA” movement, which is aligned with us. We could end up having very prominent Republicans campaigning with Biden, creating an enormous permission structure for Republicans who are not MAGA to either not vote for Trump or vote for Biden. That gets wildly glossed over in all the assessments of the election.The Republican Party has splintered after Dobbs. A big chunk of the party became loosened and is now available to us. We’ve seen this in the Haley data from earlier this year. And Trump, by attacking Nikki Haley, by telling Haley voters he doesn’t want them to vote for him — it’s among the most idiotic things any of us have ever seen in politics.
Another huge vulnerability for Trump is we know from polling that 20 to 30 percent of Republicans say if he’s convicted they won’t vote for him. The splintering that’s happened in the Republican Party is far more severe than has been presented in the national discourse.
Moving to RFK Jr., I think we learned lessons from 2000 and from 2016, which is that we’re going to have to engage and degrade these candidates and not allow them to become something that prevents us from winning the election. There’s already been very significant engagement with Kennedy coming from Biden world. There’s an outside organization being set up to do that as well.
We’re going to have to take them on. And what’s really important for your readers to recognize is that none of these candidates are good or effective or capable. Robert Kennedy, when you listen to him speak, is a ludicrous political figure. He doesn’t scare me. He believes crazy things. I’ve never seen a politician get called out for lying on national television with video as much as I’ve seen happen to Kennedy in the last few months. He routinely gets confronted with past things that he said, where the anchor on air essentially points out that he’s lying. That sort of directness is almost unprecedented since I’ve been in this business because his lies are so epic and there’s so much video of him talking.
We have a lot of ammunition to really degrade him. And my hope is that we win this election by enough that none of the potential shenanigans that are going to happen — the third party efforts, anything Trump may try to do with the electoral college or voting — none of these things will matter because it’ll be clear that we’ve won the election by a large margin. For your readers, the best way as a citizen to manage your anxiety about all this is to keep building up Joe Biden and the Democrats because the bigger that we win by, the less likely any kind of chicanery becomes successful.
We also have to challenge the media not to sanitize RFK Jr.’s candidacy the way they’ve sanitized Trump. His candidacy is MAGA aligned, it’s Russia friendly. It’s a fraud. It’s not a presidential campaign, it’s an adjunct of the Trump campaign. It may actually be illegal because of its clear openness of coordinating with Trump. We now have video of one of their top staffers explaining how openly aligned they are with Trump. This is not an independent candidacy, it’s a MAGA candidacy. And we’re going to have to challenge the media very aggressively to not go along with the game and pretend this guy’s actually running for president. He’s running to take out Joe Biden.
One of the most shocking things to me in the last few weeks has been how RFK Jr. has expressed open fondness for Putin and Russia in ways that alarmingly echo Russian propaganda. He’s used formulations about Ukraine and about domestic American politics that are formulations Putin himself uses this. Greg Sargent calls this imaginary world that Trump lives in “Foxlandia.” RFK Jr. is living in Putinlandia. So I do think there’s real urgency and a hunger to engage and degrade him.