# Ricardo Montalban miscast in ST2:TWOK **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, star-trek-paramount\ **Created:** [August 19, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911 "2024-08-19T18:40:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/41 "2024-08-19T23:49:02Z")
I watched _ **Star Trek** _ only occasionally when it was on NBC; I was more interested in shows like _ **Combat!** _ and _ **The Rat Patrol** _. By the time I was in junior high, I was into science in general and astronomy and the space program in particular (thanks largely to watching _ **The Time Tunnel** _). _ **Star Trek** _ had been on WTCN 11 in Minneapolis ever since it went into syndication, five days a week and always in the late afternoon. The first episode I watched in 1969 was “The Doomsday Machine,” largely because it was a boring, gloomy afternoon (the day after Thanksgiving, IIRC) and nothing else was on. I watched the next episode, and the next one after that, and finally found myself hooked. From that time on I watched it whenever it was on and didn’t miss an episode until I took a trip to Chicago in May 1973. I was lucky to start watching it in the middle of the second season, since that’s when some of the series’ best episodes were produced. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/42 "2024-08-19T23:53:43Z")
Agree the 2nd season is the best. (Amok Time is my very favorite) _Time Tunnel_ is on late at night in one of those channels. Maybe MeTV. Interesting show, the few I’ve watched. _Land of Giants_ is fun to watch too. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/43 "2024-08-20T00:07:55Z")
_ **Time Tunnel** _ is so inaccurate in terms of both science and history that it should be classified as fantasy, rather than science fiction. But I still get a kick out of watching it, even with all its silver-skinned aliens and Doug and Tony’s clothes that never got dirty. I first realized (at the age of 12) how surreal _ **Time Tunnel** _ was when I was watching the “Battle of Jericho” episode, and that week’s guest star strode into his tent and said “I am Joshua, commander of the Israelites!” Uh, wait a minute … how come you speak perfect 20th century American English? 🤨 I guess the Tunnel provided automatic translations along with visuals in the Image Area. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/44 "2024-08-20T00:24:52Z")
Babel fish, d’uh! ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/45 "2024-08-20T00:27:40Z")
Babel fish, huh-huh, huh-huh! 🙂 **Trivia challenge:** For what breaking news story was the “Jericho” episode of _ **Time Tunnel** _ interrupted the night of Friday, 27 January 1967? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/46 "2024-08-20T00:30:19Z")
The deaths of Grissom, Chafee and White? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/47 "2024-08-20T00:30:33Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Google, Roger Ebert had a column or something called “Can a bad review ruin a good movie?” Nada. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/48 "2024-08-20T00:31:24Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > The first episode I watched in 1969 was “The Doomsday Machine,” largely because it was a boring, gloomy afternoon (the day after Thanksgiving, IIRC) My first was The Naked Time, in 1973 or so (WPIX probably) ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/49 "2024-08-20T00:31:39Z")
Yep, the Apollo 1 fire. I can still tell you exactly where in the show the news flash came on. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/50 "2024-08-20T02:10:04Z")
Well crap. I’m still looking off and on. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/51 "2024-08-20T02:12:41Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Roger Ebert gave it a thumbs up and a nice review, in contrast. Ebert was a trekkie. He didn’t like Star Trek V though. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/52 "2024-08-20T02:16:09Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Ebert was a trekkie. He didn’t like Star Trek V though. With good reason! ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/53 "2024-08-20T02:19:50Z")
Oh, come on Kirk had the best line in that. “Why does God need a Starship?” Finger pointed up, for effect. Love that. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/54 "2024-08-20T02:38:47Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Oh, come on Kirk had the best line in that. _“Actually, it’s my first attempt.”_ -Hikaru Sulu ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/55 "2024-08-20T04:34:25Z")
Pretty cool, too. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/56 "2024-08-20T14:30:55Z")
Star Trek: The Motionless Picture Star Trek II: Spock Dies Star Trek III: Spock Gets Laid Star Trek IV: Save the Whales, Man Star Trek V: Shatner Happens Star Trek VI: The Apology ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/57 "2024-08-20T14:48:03Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > and the local CBS affiliate played Star Trek re-runs every weekday afternoon. Thus, it was something I watched pretty much every afternoon, after arriving home from school. Channel 2 Green Bay? School didn’t let out until 3:35 and I was lucky if I got home before 4:15-4:20\*, so I missed the beginning of every episode for quite a number of years. They made a lot more sense once I saw the whole episode! \*I rolled my eyes at “after school specials” that started at three. Maybe those la-di-da big city kids have short days, but we had things to learn! ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats2)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/58 "2024-08-20T15:07:27Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I believe it was by Rex Reed, who is a pompous twit, but who was one of the best-known movie reviewers of that era. I don’t know if Reed was the critic in the OP, but I lost all respect for him when he declared _River’s Edge_ one of the worst movies of the year because it was just so depressing that he didn’t want anything to do with it. Shallow moron. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/59 "2024-08-20T15:07:45Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Maybe Khan Noonien Singh’s grandfather was of Asian descent, but he grew up in Mexico. Didn’t Strange New Worlds establish that he is canonically Canadian? Hence the famous line, “From Hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee, ya hoser!”. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911/60 "2024-08-20T15:12:12Z")
> [@mbh](#): > > Star Trek V: Shatner Happens At least he has a good sense of humor about it. I always loved this punch line from Futurama: Leonard Nimoy: When I directed “Star Trek IV”, I got a magnificent performance out of Bill because I respected him so much. William Shatner: And when I directed “Star Trek V”, I got a magnificent performance out of me because I respected me so much. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ricardo-montalban-miscast-in-st2-twok/1005911.md?page=4)