Wrong here too, what he is talking about is that crackpots are the ones that told you to think that de Broglie was talking about the old ether when he never referred to it.
The ‘old’ Ether is an absolutely stationary space the Earth moves through.
The ‘new’ Ether is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it and is what waves in a double slit experiment.
de Broglie labelled it the "hidden subquantic medium ".
A moving particle has an associated wave in the hidden subquantic medium.
Just like the brainwashed, arguing over labels in order to not understand what occurs physically in nature.
This has nothing to do with creationists. Michelson and Morley looked for an absolutely stationary space the Earth moves through. The aether is not an absolutely stationary space.
The ‘new’ aether has mass, physically occupies three dimensional space and is physically displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it and is what waves in a double slit experiment.
Of course the back pedal was such that it can even be felt, now that you acknowledged that you should know that even Einstein did think that whatever was the new ether it had not much of an effect.
The problem was that creationists just took that ether meant before and never did check it how it was used later was a wildly different thing from the one from the past, nor that even Einstein thought that it was not very important. What is clear is that what scientists are using now is not being used to deny anything, what we have here is just wishful thinking from creationists about what the scientists are talking about.
Not much of an effect?
It’s what waves in a double slit experiment.
What we have here is the religious dogma of quantum mechanics which does not allow wave-particle duality to be correctly understood to be a moving particle **and **its associated wave.
Most of the questions facing mainstream physics are correctly understood when you understand there is no such thing as dark matter which travels with the matter.
The space unoccupied by particles of matter has mass and is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment, the mass which fills ‘empty’ space.
Einstein’s gravitational wave is de Broglie’s wave of wave-particle duality, both are waves in the mass which fills ‘empty’ space.
The mass which fills ‘empty’ space displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.
The above is not allowed to be understood due to the religious cult which is mainstream physics.
It is clear that you are ignoring that we are talking about woo woo proponents that are telling us misrepresentations about what serious scientists like Michelson and Morley said. Once again: we are not reporting that the scientists are wrong, only that the sources of information you rely on did misled you about what the scientists reported.
You need a cite for this because so far all the ones after Einstein that you quoted are not calling it aether, ether or “new” ether at all. What I suspect is that they are indeed talking about something new that is so far away from the ether science disposed 100 years ago that in reality it should be called something different to prevent silliness like the ones seen coming from creationists.
DeBroglie did not see the aether nature of matter waves, he was not referring to the ether or calling it that.
To give this the contact it is lacking, the true wave-particle duality of the old quantum theory of de Broglie and others went out the window when Schrodinger, Heisenberg and others introduced quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics is theory of particles, but it departs from classical by introduction of the abstract wavefunction which describes all the information that can be known about a quantum system.
However Bohm sought an interpretation/formulation of quantum mechanics that was faithful to de Broglie’s older interpretation that had motivated quantum mechanics and came up with Bohmian mechanics/de Broglie-Bohm theory. In Bohmian mechanics particles are still very much particles, but their trajectories are guided by a quantum potential.
Basically the quoted paper is de Broglie’s own interpretation of Bohm’s continuation of his pilot-wave theory and so represents one man’s further interpretation (i.e. the quantum potential as the result of a mysterious medium) of an important alternative interpretation of quantum mechanics.
de Broglie understoodwave-particle duality is a moving particle and it’s associated wave in the “hidden subquantic medium”.
de Broglie is correct.
The notion of dark matter as a clump of stuff traveling with the matter is incorrect.
Matter moves through and displaces the mass which fills the space unoccupied by particles of matter.
In a double slit experiment it is the mass which fills the space unoccupied by particles of matter that waves.
As pointed before, no evidence is coming from you that they were talking about ether.
Again, what you think are efforts not “allowed to be understood due to the religious cult which is mainstream physics.” are just misunderstandings, as** Asympotically fat** noted, you were wrong for thinking they are referring to the ether, they are referring still to things that continue to deny the old ether, de Broglie is referring to the quantum potential, and until you can point at evidence of him calling that the ether you are only trying to confuse the issue more.
Incorrect.
de Broglie-Bohm theory is incorrectly named as de Broglie disagreed with it.
NON-LINEAR WAVE MECHANICS
A CAUSAL INTERPRETATION
by
LOUIS DE BROGLIE
"During the summer of 1951, there came to my attention, much to my surprise, a paper by David Bohm which appeared subsequently in The Physical Review [3]. In this paper Bohm went back to my theory of the pilot-wave, considering the W wave as a physical reality He made a certain number of interesting remarks on the subject, and in particular, he indicated the broad outline of a theory of measurement that seemed to answer the objections Pauli had made to my approach in 1927.3 My first reaction on reading Bohm’s work was to reiterate, in a communication to the Comptes rendus de VAcademic des Sciences [4], the objections, insurmountable in my opinion, that seemed to render impossible any attribution of physical reality to the W wave, and consequently, to render impossible the adoption of the pilot-wave theory."*
In de Broglie’s double solution theory there is the wave-function wave which is statistical, non-physical and is used to determine the probabilistic results of experiments. There is also the physical wave in a “hidden subquantic medium” which guides the particle.
You’re hung up on the term ‘ether’ in order to not understand what occurs physically in nature.
In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit and the associated wave in the “hidden subquantic medium” passes through both.
Once again, that is not ether.
What was shown to be incorrect is an absolutely stationary space the Earth moves through.
What is incorrect today is the notion dark matter is a clump of stuff that travels with the matter.
Call it whatever you want, ‘empty’ space has mass and is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it and is what waves in a double slit experiment.
Just saying but when I look for your peculiar definitions the searchs point at sites were the posters with your points are not appreciated or were banned.
The point here is that as expected in other places they already do know that evidence of very basic claims are not coming from you, so don’t expect any different from what it was found in other more science oriented sites. But more importantly, it is clear that serious researchers are not using definitions like you are using them, I have only found creationists using those definitions.
Another point you are missing is that me and others are pointing put that scientists are not denying what they are finding at the quantum level, they just do not need to use that [del]god[/del] old ether theory. In reality your scary “religion” is not preventing or stopping the investigation in that area, you are the only one trying to turn a semantic discussion into “science being wrong” or that scientists “are preventing us to talk about that”. Very silly ideas after seeing what is going on, science does not stop to wait for your definitions to be valid.
And I already provided a quote from a competent source which refutes that.
Your own quote from Robert Laughlin also clarifies it. It essentially says that space has physical properties, which is manifestly true, such as vacuum energy and quantum fluctuations. You can call that the “ether” if you like, but it’s not the same as suggesting that an ether is a requirement for the propagation of electromagnetic waves, which you are doing and which is complete nonsense long ago discredited.
Right. :rolleyes: Since you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about and have been hijacking this thread with this totally off-topic nonsense, I’m no longer participating in the hijack.
The point is the religious cult which is mainstream physics doesn’t allow for the correct understanding of wave-particle duality as a moving particle and it’s associated wave as this is different from the established religious dogma.
What you are missing is that I am not discussing the ‘old’ ether.
I am discussing the mass which fills the space unoccupied by particles of matter which is what waves in a double slit experiment.