# Rick and Morty -- the new animated show from Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, cartoons-animation\ **Created:** [January 21, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380 "2014-01-21T17:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/441 "2017-09-23T20:01:01Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [Dan Harmon lashes out at sexist fans trolling the show’s female writing staff.](http://ew.com/tv/2017/09/21/rick-morty-dan-harmon-female-writers/) Wow. That’s insane (the trolling, not Harmon’s response). Another comment of Harmon’s (from your link): > [@](#): > > Harmon says. “I was familiar going into the third season, having talked to Felicia Day, that any high-profile women get doxxed, they get harassed, they get threatened, they get slandered. And part of it is a testosterone-based subculture patting themselves on the back for trolling these women. He’s nailed it, no doubt—these voids wouldn’t do the threatening-and-harassing on their own, probably—they do it to impress their loathsome and pathetic peers. From the comments, an interesting point: > [@](#): > > It reminds me of that group of Marvel writers who posted a group photo of them hanging out somewhere. There was the big outraged response and people were calling them “a bunch of SJWs.” When I first heard about it I figured there was something political about the picture. > > But no. Of course not. It was just a photo of a group of women. 16 •Reply•Share › ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/442 "2017-09-25T18:15:32Z")
Beth is gone isn’t she? That was a clone at the end of the episode, it has to be. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/443 "2017-09-25T18:37:29Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Beth is gone isn’t she? That was a clone at the end of the episode, it has to be. Lady or the Tiger? ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/444 "2017-09-25T19:21:52Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Beth is gone isn’t she? That was a clone at the end of the episode, it has to be. Didn’t Rick say she could come back at any time? For all we know, that was the clone at the end of the episode, but “original formula Beth” will be back at the start of next week’s episode without any reference to the clone. On the other hand, having two Beths could be important in any upcoming showdown between Rick and Evil Morty. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/445 "2017-09-26T04:30:23Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Beth is gone isn’t she? That was a clone at the end of the episode, it has to be. Honestly, I think that’s the original beth. Which makes the ending quite a bit sadder, all things considered. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/446 "2017-09-26T04:37:57Z")
I think it could be either, really. I don’t favor one theory or the other. Far more disturbing: incest/cannibalism preschool children’s plays. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/447 "2017-09-26T04:53:20Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I think it could be either, really. I don’t favor one theory or the other. Far more disturbing: incest/cannibalism preschool children’s plays. There’s definitely something ironic about Tommy’s dad being wrongly accused of eating him while, in Froopyworld, Tommy actually _was_ eating his children. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/448 "2017-09-26T10:39:45Z")
I would not be shocked if they never mention the Beth thing again and just let people guess forever. Or maybe they will resolve it in a throw away joke two seasons from now like someone reaching into a closet to get something and in the background you see an inert Beth labeled “Beth Clone”. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/449 "2017-09-26T13:25:21Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Honestly, I think that’s the original beth. Which makes the ending quite a bit sadder, all things considered. I dunno if it’s sadder. Rick was right - it didn’t matter which choice Beth made, because it was the first time in her life that she was choosing as _herself_ rather than as what she thought she should be. Until the show says otherwise, I choose to believe that Beth is constantly popping out on adventures, but always comes home. Just like her dad. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/450 "2017-09-26T13:26:43Z")
Didn’t Rick tell Beth at the beginning of the episode that she’s not his Beth, which she took as a reference to the Infinite Beths out there? What if the Beth at the beginning of the episode were a clone? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/451 "2017-09-26T13:34:27Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Didn’t Rick tell Beth at the beginning of the episode that she’s not his Beth, which she took as a reference to the Infinite Beths out there? > > What if the Beth at the beginning of the episode were a clone? He meant that his original Beth was in a different universe and died. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/452 "2017-09-26T13:53:30Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > He meant that his original Beth was in a different universe and died. No, she’s still alive in the Cronenberg universe. Assuming of course, that that’s Rick’s original universe. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/453 "2017-09-26T13:57:23Z")
It’s not. ISTR Rick mentions pretty early on that he’s hopped universes a number of times before settling in with “our” Morty. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/454 "2017-09-26T15:04:07Z")
Oh, and it appears Rick has definitely lost his implants - he had to use that robot arm implant when the Tommy/bird creatures cut his off. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > It’s not. ISTR Rick mentions pretty early on that he’s hopped universes a number of times before settling in with “our” Morty. Are you sure? I know there’s been a ton of speculation about that, (including last page of this thread), but I didn’t think it had ever been explicitly stated that Rick isn’t actually from C-137. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/455 "2017-09-26T15:54:46Z")
This Beth could be an android, shapeshifting alien, hologram, etc. In an infinite universe, anything is possible. She’s whatever the storyline demands she be. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/456 "2017-09-26T16:05:54Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Are you sure? I know there’s been a ton of speculation about that, (including last page of this thread), but I didn’t think it had ever been explicitly stated that Rick isn’t actually from C-137. Pretty sure. From way earlier in this thread: > [@grude](#): > > I think my favorite moment wasn’t even funny, it was when Rick reveals to Morty he has so messed up earth or gotten the whole family killed he just slides into a alternate reality close enough to the original, and he has done it several times! > > The look on Morty’s face as he walks through his house looking at his mundane family life while pondering this, along with the music was a thing of beauty. Exactly the kind of mind fuck messed up shit I like scifi for. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/457 "2017-09-26T17:28:21Z")
Actually that’s not what he says at all, he says they can only do it three or four more times but he never mentions having done it before. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/458 "2017-09-26T18:07:26Z")
It’s admittedly been a while since I saw the first season, but I remember it the way grude described upthread. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/459 "2017-09-26T18:11:06Z")
I just watched it, all he says is “It’s not like we can do this every week, we get three or four of this… tops”. There is no mention of having done it before. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380/460 "2017-09-26T18:13:08Z")
I mean, I think it’s pretty strongly implicit that Rick is speaking from experience there. _shrug_ Probably doesn’t really matter - this is the kind of show where the only reality is what’s important for the episode at hand. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-and-morty-the-new-animated-show-from-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland/679380.md?page=24)