# Rick Perry on how to grow an economy
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [October 30, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608 "2013-10-30T00:23:33Z")
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### Author:  [@cornopean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cornopean)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/1 "2013-10-30T00:23:33Z")
Ok…read this article. [Rick Perry: Follow the Texas model of success](http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/10/28/governor-rick-perry-texas-tour-jobs-editorials-debates/3290927/)
If you disagree with him, you can respond to this article in two ways:
1. either he has his facts wrong or
2. his facts are accurate but his interpretation of those facts is incorrect.
Which is it?
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/2 "2013-10-30T00:32:58Z")
1. Oil
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/3 "2013-10-30T00:33:06Z")
> [@cornopean](#):
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> Ok…read this article. [Rick Perry: Follow the Texas model of success](http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/10/28/governor-rick-perry-texas-tour-jobs-editorials-debates/3290927/)
>
> If you disagree with him, you can respond to this article in two ways:
>
> 1. either he has his facts wrong or
> 2. his facts are accurate but his interpretation of those facts is incorrect.
1. He’s being disingenuous.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/4 "2013-10-30T00:35:43Z")
To be clear:
[3. Oil](http://pbpa.info/education-center/permian-basin-industry-statistics/economic-impact-of-oil-and-gas-in-texas/)
> [@the oil industry](#):
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> Oil and gas companies pay far more in state and local taxes and royalties on a per worker basis than does the average private sector company. In fiscal 2009, oil and gas companies paid an average of $27,000 per employee in state and local taxes and royalties. By comparison, other private sector companies averaged only $4,800 per job. This five-fold difference highlights the critical role of oil and gas plays to keep the Texas economy – and Texas government – viable and resilient.
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### Author:  [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/5 "2013-10-30T00:37:51Z")
Texas. Fair courts.
:dubious:
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### Author:  [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/6 "2013-10-30T01:03:17Z")
Have you seen our Education system here? How about the giant masses of people that are uninsured?
He talks about “Fair Courts”, now this is code to business. It means “We have largely gutted the civil law system, so don’t worry about getting sued here. If they can sue you they won’t get much.”
He argues that “Texas created 3 out of 10 jobs over the past few years”(inexact). Well, truth is we never had a deep recession here and mostly there was no housing bubble. We have abundant cheap land. Where do you think jobs are going to migrate to?
Do not worry, young Mr. Galt though, I like almost 1 in 5 Texans lives in Houston(Area) and like other Texas cities are growing like crazy, with Hispanics and dispossed Liberals. We have a openly Lesbian Mayor, a strong Progressive History and a sh\*tton of money.
We get a new census in 7 years. Game on.
I plan on watching the 2020 Election returns and watching Texas turn blue for Hillary"s Re-Election :eek:
**Capt Kirk**
I am ready to get my user name back
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### Author:  [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/7 "2013-10-30T01:18:08Z")
> [@cornopean](#):
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> Ok…read this article. [Rick Perry: Follow the Texas model of success](http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/10/28/governor-rick-perry-texas-tour-jobs-editorials-debates/3290927/)
How about you summarize it instead?
Having seen the other posts in the thread, I’d say OIL, and the fact that the majority of jobs created there have been part time and low wages. Sure is easy to cite numbers when you don’t have to peek behind the skirt and see whats in it.
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### Author:  [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/8 "2013-10-30T01:18:30Z")
His fact about Texas creating 3 out of 10 jobs is true.
> **[PolitiFact - Rick Perry says Texas accounted for 33 percent of nation's net...](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2013/may/09/rick-perry/rick-perry-says-texas-accounted-33-percent-nations/)**
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> In a May 9, 2013, advertisement, Gov. Rick Perry offered President Barack Obama a "handy checklist" about job creation t
However how much of that is due to conservative policy I really don’t know. How much of it is natural resources. Texas oil production has doubled in the last few years.
Texas also avoided the housing bubble and bust, as a result the recession wasn’t nearly as bad there. The boom in natural resources (oil and gas) is a big part, but Texas avoided the housing bust that drove the global economy into recession.
> **[Texas-Size Recovery - FactCheck.org](https://www.factcheck.org/2011/08/texas-size-recovery/)**
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> Presidential candidate and Texas Gov. Rick Perry has boasted of significant job growth in his state in the past few years. And for good reason: It's true. While Texas clearly hasn't avoided the recession, the state has done well in terms of ...
[http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/07/how-texas-avoided-great-recession-and.html](http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/07/how-texas-avoided-great-recession-and.html)
So yes Texas is creating jobs. However how much is due to deregulation is up in the air. You can’t say ‘its all taxes and regulation’. How much is the lack of a housing bubble, how much is a boom in natural resources, what % of jobs are low paying and dead end, etc.
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/9 "2013-10-30T01:22:44Z")
What is being Pitted here?
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### Author:  [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/10 "2013-10-30T01:25:10Z")
Nice.
“And Texas is tied with Mississippi for the highest percentage of hourly workers paid at or below the minimum wage.”
“Texas’ unemployment rate — while still below the national average — is now higher than that of 26 states.”
" Texas has the highest percentage of residents lacking health insurance — 26 percent — among U.S. states."
Yeah, totally awesome economy you got there, Texas. If it weren’t for Oil, you’d be Mexico.
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/11 "2013-10-30T01:26:33Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> What is being Pitted here?
**cornopean** sooner or later.
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/12 "2013-10-30T01:37:04Z")
> [@Chimera](#):
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> Yeah, totally awesome economy you got there, Texas. If it weren’t for Oil, you’d be Mexico.
Soon enough you **will** be Mexico.
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### Author:  [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/13 "2013-10-30T01:39:48Z")
The answer is oil.
Our infrastructure (water, roads, etc) is fragged in the next couple decades unless we come up big with money.
The state budget was also fucked a couple years ago due to a botched transition in property vs business taxes and wishful conservative thinking.
What saved it? Oil. Or rather gas. The sudden oil boom led to windfall tax income.
Note that there’s nothing that’s changed about the underlying problems.
Governor Goodhair can stick a pine comb up his rear end.
Disclaimer: I live in Texas and work in the oil/gas industry.
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### Author:  [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/14 "2013-10-30T01:52:10Z")
I think you should also read [this article](http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20120805-texas-can-no-longer-complain-that-it-gives-more-than-it-gets-from-federal-government.ece)
> [@](#):
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> The federal government spent about $9,000 per Texan in 2010. The state spent $2,200 — one of the lowest outlays in the country, according to the National Association of State Budget Officers.
> [@](#):
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> The cost of [federal entitlement] programs more than doubled by 2010, the most recent available data, to $94.2 billion. But the population grew by only about one-fifth.
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> One reason entitlement spending rose so sharply is that Texas had more poor residents at the end of the decade. The share of Texans living in poverty grew faster than overall population growth and hit 18 percent in 2010, up one-third from a decade earlier.
> [@](#):
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> To Democrats, Republicans who keep a tight fiscal ship in Austin “hypocritically prop up the state of Texas with federal money and at the same time rail against the federal government,” said Matt Angle, a Texas Democratic strategist.
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### Author:  [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/15 "2013-10-30T02:35:42Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> What is being Pitted here?
Nothing. **cornopean** just knew that any thread he opened would end up in the Pit anyway, if it was allowed to remain open.
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### Author:  [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/16 "2013-10-30T03:00:15Z")
It is not cool to start a thread without giving a synopsis of the information and offering your take on it. Thence a discussion begins.
I feel like **Cornopean** is the worst college professor on the planet and I’m stuck in his class.
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### Author:  [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/17 "2013-10-30T03:05:22Z")
nm
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### Author:  [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/18 "2013-10-30T04:17:55Z")
The reason is oil. Also, Rick Perry has a fine disregard for the truth, in most cases. He tends to use his political office to hand out plums to his buddies, or to anyone who’s willing to make a political donation.
He does have nice hair, though.
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/19 "2013-10-30T04:21:02Z")
Perry kept Texas’ unemployment numbers down by creating a bunch of government jobs. Civil service is the largest sector in new jobs in Texas since Perry became Governor. The second biggest sector in job expansion is the oil industry and that’s also where Perry found the tax money to finance his expansion of the government payroll.
So the secret to Perry’s success has been getting elected in a state that has a lot of oil in the ground.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2013, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-on-how-to-grow-an-economy/672608/20 "2013-10-30T04:33:09Z")
> [@cornopean](#):
>
> Ok…read this article. [Rick Perry: Follow the Texas model of success](http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/10/28/governor-rick-perry-texas-tour-jobs-editorials-debates/3290927/)
>
> If you disagree with him, you can respond to this article in two ways:
>
> 1. either he has his facts wrong or
> 2. his facts are accurate but his interpretation of those facts is incorrect.
>
> Which is it?
Given that it’s Rick Perry, I’m going to go out on a limb and say “both:” his facts are wrong, and he has misinterpreted them.
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