# Rick Perry to jump into the race? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 28, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589 "2011-05-28T19:57:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/141 "2011-07-14T17:16:01Z")
The Texas Observer also has a piece on [Perry’s Praying Pals](https://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/rick-perrys-army-of-god). > [@](#): > > On September 28, 2009, at 1:40 p.m., God’s messengers visited Rick Perry. > > On this day, the Lord’s messengers arrived in the form of two Texas pastors, Tom Schlueter of Arlington and Bob Long of San Marcos, who called on Perry in the governor’s office inside the state Capitol. Schlueter and Long both oversee small congregations, but they are more than just pastors. They consider themselves modern-day apostles and prophets, blessed with the same gifts as Old Testament prophets or New Testament apostles. > > The pastors told Perry of God’s grand plan for Texas. A chain of powerful prophecies had proclaimed that Texas was “The Prophet State,” anointed by God to lead the United States into revival and Godly government. And the governor would have a special role. Is Freemasonray really a “demonic stronghold”? Is the Democratic party commanded by Jezebel? Really, these nutcases make me miss the Southern Baptists. Look for Perry to announce his candidacy at [The Response](http://theresponseusa.com/), the August 6th day of Prayer & Fasting at Houston’s Reliant Stadium. (Damn, why couldn’t he throw his Prayerapalooza in an area where his voters actually live. Which means out of the cities.) ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/142 "2011-07-14T19:16:17Z")
I’d love to see their bank accounts. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/143 "2011-07-14T20:30:32Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9dUMJyzjtA](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9dUMJyzjtA) > > Rick Perry’s speech to the Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans last month. > > I think I found the guy I’m supporting. I’ll be in the car. I confess I’m just drooling at the thought of the GOP nominating this nutcase. [Drooling, I tell ya.](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/subjects/-response-prayer-rally) Because he has sought out and welcomed the nuttiest of the religious nuts for his “The Response” rally three weeks from now, from the official organizers - the American Family Association, [whose top guys do things like](http://www.texastribune.org/texas-people/rick-perry/video-perry-invites-public-to-the-response/) blaming the Holocaust on gays, and say that social welfare programs made African-American women want to “rut like rabbits," to other official endorsers like [John Benefiel of the Heartland Apostolic Prayer Network](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/rick-perry-partners-apostle-who-thinks-statue-liberty-demonic-idol), who thinks the Statue of Liberty is a “demonic idol” that represents a “false goddess.” “Why does Rick Perry associate with people who hate the Statue of Liberty?” This stuff just writes itself. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/144 "2011-07-15T10:13:58Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I confess I’m just drooling at the thought of the GOP nominating this nutcase. [Drooling, I tell ya.](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/subjects/-response-prayer-rally) Because he has sought out and welcomed the nuttiest of the religious nuts for his “The Response” rally three weeks from now, from the official organizers - the American Family Association, [whose top guys do things like](http://www.texastribune.org/texas-people/rick-perry/video-perry-invites-public-to-the-response/) blaming the Holocaust on gays, and say that social welfare programs made African-American women want to “rut like rabbits," to other official endorsers like [John Benefiel of the Heartland Apostolic Prayer Network](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/rick-perry-partners-apostle-who-thinks-statue-liberty-demonic-idol), who thinks the Statue of Liberty is a “demonic idol” that represents a “false goddess.” > > “Why does Rick Perry associate with people who hate the Statue of Liberty?” This stuff just writes itself. 🙂 Guy, “The One” sat in Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years listening to him say such things as “We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.” and "“The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.” so the guilt by association thing probably isn’t a card you all want to play. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/145 "2011-07-15T11:44:24Z")
Yes, but Perry is guilty of associating with himself. It’s hard to shake off something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/146 "2011-07-15T13:13:12Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > Guy, “The One” sat in Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years listening to him say such things as “We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.” and "“The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.” > > so the guilt by association thing probably isn’t a card you all want to play. That was then & this is now. It didn’t work against Obama because most of us realized he’s sane, even if that one preacher said some weird shit. [Perry’s helpers](http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43758839/ns/politics-more_politics/) in his Prayerapalooza? > [@](#): > > Among The Response endorsers listed on its website are Pastor John Hagee of the Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, who has said God sent Hitler to hunt Jews so they would return to Israel, and Mike Bickle, director of the International House of Prayer in Kansas City, Mo., who has called Oprah Winfrey the harbinger of the anti-Christ. There’s a suit to stop it–Perry will be glad to show everybody the holes those nails made–but I hope it continues & the country gets a good look at the crazy. This is not some little prayer meeting–they’ve rented Reliant Stadium. Where the last embarrassing event involved Janet Jackson. (Although Texans’ fans assure me there have been many fiascos under that roof.) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/147 "2011-07-15T19:32:24Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > Guy, “The One” sat in Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years This forum is titled, “Elections.” Given that Jeremiah Wright wasn’t an issue in 2008 despite much publicity, it’s going to be damned hard to make him an issue in 2012, no matter what hook there might be to hang it on. Very much yesterday’s news. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2011, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/148 "2011-07-16T11:02:38Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > This forum is titled, “Elections.” > > Given that Jeremiah Wright wasn’t an issue in 2008 despite much publicity, it’s going to be damned hard to make him an issue in 2012, no matter what hook there might be to hang it on. Very much yesterday’s news. Well, gee, I don’t know, you guys tried to drag up the National Guard thing on Bush in 2004 even though voters rejected your whining about it in 2000. The MSM didn’t do its job vetting this guy in 2008. Or 2004 when he ran for senator, they were too busy sniffing Jeri Ryan’s panties. If you guys start attacking Perry’s associations, there’s a whole bunch of sleazy characters in Obama’s past we can talk about. Wright. Tony Rezko. Rod Blago. And it’s going to backfire on you. The problem is, most of you people are secularists who have a condescending view towards religion. Heck, so do I, for that matter. The scariest thing for your side is that most Americans are pretty religious, and you guys all want to be praised by Bill Maher. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2011, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/149 "2011-07-16T11:09:58Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > That was then & this is now. It didn’t work against Obama because most of us realized he’s sane, even if that one preacher said some weird shit. [Perry’s helpers](http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43758839/ns/politics-more_politics/) in his Prayerapalooza? > > There’s a suit to stop it–Perry will be glad to show everybody the holes those nails made–but I hope it continues & the country gets a good look at the crazy. This is not some little prayer meeting–they’ve rented Reliant Stadium. Where the last embarrassing event involved Janet Jackson. (Although Texans’ fans assure me there have been many fiascos under that roof.) Actually, most people didn’t hear the worst stuff Wright said, and McCain wrongly told his people not to make an issue of it. (Another of th 1000 tactical mistakes this guy made.) Most Americans are less worried about some strange belief that a religion might have- after all, Romney is currently the GOP frontrunner, and his religious beliefs are completely insane - and more worried about the economy, the debt and everything else. Now, for the record, I’m an agnostic. I find the very notion of Christianity kind of silly. So telling me religion X is worse than religion Y because to my mind, they are all illogical. But most Americans see the Democrats as secularists who are attacking all religion, trying to drive it out of the public square, and frankly, when you sue to stop prayer meetings, you guys come off as the extremists. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/150 "2011-07-16T23:37:37Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > Well, gee, I don’t know, you guys tried to drag up the National Guard thing on Bush in 2004 even though voters rejected your whining about it in 2000. > > The MSM didn’t do its job vetting this guy in 2008. Or 2004 when he ran for senator, they were too busy sniffing Jeri Ryan’s panties. If you guys start attacking Perry’s associations, there’s a whole bunch of sleazy characters in Obama’s past we can talk about. Wright. Tony Rezko. Rod Blago. > > And it’s going to backfire on you. The problem is, most of you people are secularists who have a condescending view towards religion. Heck, so do I, for that matter. The scariest thing for your side is that most Americans are pretty religious, and you guys all want to be praised by Bill Maher. I’ve never cared for Bill Maher. Do you actually know any Democrats? Perry’s Prayerapalooza is not his past–it’s his present. And probably his future–will he use the pulpit to announce his candidacy for president of the country he wanted to secede from a few months ago? Watch [this](http://theresponseusa.com/) again & tell us how much you love Governor Goodhair. I don’t want the thing cancelled–I want lots of publicity. It’s not just a Christians Only event. Some of the [extremists sharing that pulpit](http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/07/rick-perry-and-the-megapastors.html) consider the Roman Catholic church the Whore of Babylon! Read some more about [your hero’s heroes](http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/07/07/rick_perry_prayer_pastors) & get on your knees. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/151 "2011-07-17T01:27:01Z")
> [@](#): > > Now, for the record, I’m an agnostic. I find the very notion of Christianity kind of silly. So telling me religion X is worse than religion Y because to my mind, they are all illogical. Except for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, of course. They’re more illogicaller. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/152 "2011-07-17T03:38:29Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > You know what, guy, I’ve heard you guys carping about the Texas system for years now, but you know what you’ve yet to produce? A single case where a guy had been executed and didn’t have it coming. > > So why do you guys hate Texas so much? [http://www.innworldreport.net/inn/index.php?option=com\_content&view=article&id=3410:tests-confirm-texas-executed-innocent-man&catid=35:domestic&Itemid=1](http://www.innworldreport.net/inn/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3410:tests-confirm-texas-executed-innocent-man&catid=35:domestic&Itemid=1) Single case. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/153 "2011-07-17T10:42:17Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Except for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, of course. They’re more illogicaller. Well, yeah, when your religion is caught pretty much red-handed at the fraud as opposed the fraud maybe happening 2000 year ago or maybe it was just a metaphor. I guess I have a problem with religions that were founded by guys whose primary goals were conning his friends and having sex with multiple teenage girls. Scientology + 150 years = Mormonism. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/154 "2011-07-17T10:44:42Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [Redirecting...](http://www.innworldreport.net/inn/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3410:tests-confirm-texas-executed-innocent-man&catid=35:domestic&Itemid=1) > Single case. Do you actually READ these stories before you post them? “Jones had insisted that he was waiting in the car when his accomplice killed Allen Hilzendager during a 1989 liquor store robbery.” So in short, he wasn’t INNOCENT. He participated in the Crime. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/155 "2011-07-17T10:55:16Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > I’ve never cared for Bill Maher. Do you actually know any Democrats? > > Perry’s Prayerapalooza is not his past–it’s his present. And probably his future–will he use the pulpit to announce his candidacy for president of the country he wanted to secede from a few months ago? > > Watch [this](http://theresponseusa.com/) again & tell us how much you love Governor Goodhair. I don’t want the thing cancelled–I want lots of publicity. > > It’s not just a Christians Only event. Some of the [extremists sharing that pulpit](http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/07/rick-perry-and-the-megapastors.html) consider the Roman Catholic church the Whore of Babylon! Read some more about [your hero’s heroes](http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/07/07/rick_perry_prayer_pastors) & get on your knees. Well, I looked at your video there, guess I can’t get as upset about this as you are. Reality is, 90% of Americans are religious. The main reason why the GOP has as much strength as it has, is because the Democrats are the ones siding with the ACLU and the Republicans are the ones siding with Jesus. That you want to pick out a couple of small actors in a larger event and say that is indicitive just shows desperation. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/156 "2011-07-18T02:25:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, yeah, when your religion is caught pretty much red-handed at the fraud as opposed the fraud maybe happening 2000 year ago or maybe it was just a metaphor. > > I guess I have a problem with religions that were founded by guys whose primary goals were conning his friends and having sex with multiple teenage girls. > > Scientology + 150 years = Mormonism. Ah, gotcha, the fact that 150 years ago people in this country purported to own other people as property isn’t relevant to the present day, because that was so long ago. But the fact that some charismatic religious dude wanted to boff multiple women 150 years ago is totally relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/157 "2011-07-18T10:30:20Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Ah, gotcha, the fact that 150 years ago people in this country purported to own other people as property isn’t relevant to the present day, because that was so long ago. But the fact that some charismatic religious dude wanted to boff multiple women 150 years ago is totally relevant. Well, nice try, but honestly, that’s kind of a sad argument. What happened 150 years isn’t relelvent, but the fact that what was claimed has been disproven is. We now know the Hebrews NEVER settled the Americas. (Incidently, Joseph Smith was not the first guy to come up with this, he plaragized it off some popular fiction at the time.) We now know that the “Book of Abraham” that Smith claimed to have translated as part of Mormon Scripture is in fact, a funery scroll from the Ptomelic dynasty. We know the Kinderhook Tablets he claimed to have translated were in fact fakes. In short, he made a lot of claims that have been disproven. Now, while you can say a lot of the bible is “disprovable”, you can also argue that it is metaphor, or mistranslations, or whatever. Smith doesn’t get a pass. We know he was making it all up. And the fact Mormons still buy into what is unadulterated bullshit disqualifies them from any higher office. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/158 "2011-07-18T12:54:55Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > Now, while you can say a lot of the bible is “disprovable”, you can also argue that it is metaphor, or mistranslations, or whatever. > > Smith doesn’t get a pass. We know he was making it all up. And the fact Mormons still buy into what is unadulterated bullshit disqualifies them from any higher office. Ask your hero, Rick Perry, if he thinks the Bible is disprovable, or a metaphor, or mistranslated and see if his answers might also disqualify him from higher office. Hint: if you think the answer is anything but, “BURN IN HELL FOR EVEN THINKING THAT, YOU HEREITIC!” … you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/159 "2011-07-18T14:33:38Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > Well, gee, I don’t know, you guys tried to drag up the National Guard thing on Bush in 2004 even though voters rejected your whining about it in 2000. And you can see how much of a difference it made. Which proves my point. > [@](#): > > The MSM didn’t do its job vetting this guy in 2008. Or 2004 when he ran for senator, they were too busy sniffing Jeri Ryan’s panties. If you guys start attacking Perry’s associations, there’s a whole bunch of sleazy characters in Obama’s past we can talk about. Wright. Tony Rezko. Rod Blago. Well, yeah, whatever, and what does this have to do with anything? Unless you’re going to argue that somehow the stuff about Wright, Rezko, et al. is likely to make more of a difference to Obama’s fortunes in 2012 than the TANG stuff did with Bush’s in 2004, I don’t see why you’re even talking about this. Feel free to make that argument, of course - I’m just pointing out that you haven’t yet. And in the absence of any such argument, none of this bullshit is relevant to this discussion. > [@](#): > > And it’s going to backfire on you. The problem is, most of you people are secularists who have a condescending view towards religion. Heck, so do I, for that matter. Unlike you, even most secularists can tell the difference between run-of-the-mill Christianity and total fruitcakeness. And making ‘you people’ generalizations about people you’re debating is never a good idea. I’m a born-again Christian, and while last time I checked, the Bible still had a few pretty whacked-out passages, none of them concerned the Statue of Liberty. Even people who are pretty ignorant about their Bible will mostly pick up on this fact. By the way, the whole ‘if you libruls want to bring this stuff up, conservatives will bring up Wright and Rezko and all’ meme is total bullshit. If the GOP thinks bringing up Wright and Rezko will help their cause, they’ll go there whether or not the Dems bring up Perry’s associations with religious fruitcakes. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/160 "2011-07-19T10:04:31Z")
RT- the only reason why the NG stuff didn’t fly in 2004 was because your boy, Dan Rather, got caught trying to pass off fake documents as real ones. But the MSM gave it the old college try after John Kerry’s past caught up with him. Yes, I would hope that the 2004 nominee, whoever he or she is, will bring up all of Obama’s sleazy friends in Illinois Politics. I’m not sure why McCain didn’t, although I’m not sure about half the awful decisions McCain made. But if you all think you are going to get traction by attacking evangelicals in a country where there are millions of them, good luck with that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589.md?page=9)