# Rick Perry to jump into the race? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 28, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589 "2011-05-28T19:57:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/161 "2011-07-19T19:56:26Z")
In other words, attacking someone’s religion is a terrible idea, and folks should do it to Obama. Could you at least try to not contradict yourself within a single post? ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/162 "2011-07-20T04:59:33Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Ask your hero, Rick Perry, if he thinks the Bible is disprovable, or a metaphor, or mistranslated and see if his answers might also disqualify him from higher office. > > Hint: if you think the answer is anything but, “BURN IN HELL FOR EVEN THINKING THAT, YOU HEREITIC!” … you’re wrong. [A little-known movement of radical Christians and self-proclaimed prophets wants to infiltrate government, and Rick Perry might be their man.](http://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/rick-perrys-army-of-god) > [@](#): > > On this day, the Lord’s messengers arrived in the form of two Texas pastors, Tom Schlueter of Arlington and Bob Long of San Marcos, who called on Perry in the governor’s office inside the state Capitol. Schlueter and Long both oversee small congregations, but they are more than just pastors. They consider themselves modern-day apostles and prophets, blessed with the same gifts as Old Testament prophets or New Testament apostles. > [@](#): > > If they simply professed unusual beliefs, movement leaders wouldn’t be remarkable. But what makes the New Apostolic Reformation movement so potent is its growing fascination with infiltrating politics and government. The new prophets and apostles believe Christians—certain Christians—are destined to not just take “dominion” over government, but stealthily climb to the commanding heights of what they term the “Seven Mountains” of society, including the media and the arts and entertainment world. They believe they’re intended to lord over it all. **As a first step, they’re leading an “army of God” to commandeer civilian government.** Gee… think this is going to fly well with the moderates and independents? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/163 "2011-07-20T18:13:42Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > your boy, Dan Rather I gather you’re either from that alternate universe where the mainstream media are actually liberal, or you’re taking some powerful mind-altering substances in this one. > [@](#): > > Yes, I would hope that the 2004 nominee, whoever he or she is, will bring up all of Obama’s sleazy friends in Illinois Politics. And best of luck with the time travel experiment! ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/164 "2011-07-21T23:02:34Z")
[The Austin Statesman](http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2011/07/21/perry_prayer_event_drops_link.html?cxntfid=blogs_postcards) has been keeping an eye on Ricky Boy’s Prayerapalooza webpage. Names of the less sane endorsers have been removed from public scrutiny. (But not from the caches.) Guess he’s been listening to some of the complaints about the fools who do not speak for most Christians. Will they appear at the event to preach & pray & fast & anoint him & gird his loins for the struggle? (His plan: Turn everything over to God & let Him solve our problems. Guess he doesn’t believe in the One who Helps Those Who Help Themselves.) Some of the erased: > [@](#): > > John Hagee, pastor of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, whose controversial statements prompted GOP presidential candidate John McCain to reject his endorsement in 2008. McCain took exception to Hagee saying that God sent Adolph Hitler to persecute the Jews so Israel could be created. Hagee also compared the Catholic Church to the anti-Christ and said Hurricane Katrina was punishment for New Orleans’ sinful ways. > > John Benefiel of the Heartland Apostolic Prayer Network in Oklahoma City, who has called the Statue of Liberty a demonic idol. > > C. Peter Wagner of Global Spheres Inc. in Colorado, who said Japan was decimated by an earthquake and tsunami because its emperor engages in ritualistic sexual intercourse with the pagan Sun Goddess. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/165 "2011-07-21T23:20:01Z")
If only Rick Perry would [listen](http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-urges-rick-perry-not-to-run-for-president,20981/). ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/166 "2011-07-23T10:51:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > In other words, attacking someone’s religion is a terrible idea, and folks should do it to Obama. Could you at least try to not contradict yourself within a single post? Hey, if your religion is “America is a bunch of evil white crackers who are poisioning black folk”, maybe people ought to know about that. But the MSM buried that pretty quickly, didn’t they? Hey, but let’s have it out. You can talk about Rick Perry’s friends, who are actually believe pretty mainstream Christian stuff, and we can talk about Obama’s pals. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/167 "2011-07-23T10:56:50Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I gather you’re either from that alternate universe where the mainstream media are actually liberal, or you’re taking some powerful mind-altering substances in this one. Well, let’s look at that one. Dan Rather was Sooooooo convinced Bush had done something untowards as a guardsman he spent FIVE YEARS investigating the story. Five years. His own words. Did anyone spend five years investigating Obama’s radical pals? Except after 5 years, he couldn’t find one document or one person who served with Bush who would support his contentions. Then along comes Colonel Burkett, who was pretty much thrown out of the Texas Guard for being nuts, and he comes along with these documents that are just too good to be true. Does Danny boy take them to an authenticator or an expert in military documentation or even ask the family of the man who supposedly wrote them? Nope! He just runs them as authentic “proof” that Bush wasn’t a committed member of the national guard. Now compare that to how the Media treated the Swift Boat Vets. These guys could prove they were in Vietnam with Kerry. And they had a whole raft of ugly stories to tell that indicated this guy was gaming the system. the Media did everything they could to attack these guys. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/168 "2011-07-23T11:14:12Z")
I thought this thread was about Rick Perry. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/169 "2011-07-23T16:27:45Z")
**RR** had realized that, no matter Obama’s problems, none of the Republican possibilities has much to offer. Governor Ricky caught his eye & he was convinced there was one Great White Hope remaining. Has he actually come up with serious quotations from His Boy to prove his electability? Nope. We all got caught up with the upcoming Prayerapalooza. Reporters have been sifting through the beliefs of Rick’s allies in the event & have discovered quite a few things that almost no Christians really believe. Alas, [Perry is now trying to distance himself](http://www.texasobserver.org/forrestforthetrees/is-rick-perry-getting-cold-feet-over-theresponse)from the more extreme nutcases. > [@](#): > > You’ve gotta wonder if Rick Perry may come to regret “initiating” The Response, his Christians-only prayer rally. As I documented in a cover story for the Observer, Perry has thrown in with a strange band of fundamentalists from the bleeding edge of American Christianity… > > > [@](#): > > > > I appreciate anyone who’s going to endorse me, whether it’s on The Response or whether it’s on a potential run for the presidency of the United States,” he said on Monday, reported the Dallas Morning-News. “Just because you endorse me doesn’t mean I endorse everything that you say or do.” > > The problem is that Perry initiated this event and then put particular people in charge of organizing the event, including, for example, Alice Patterson, a “church mobilizer.” Patterson wrote in her book that the Democratic Party is controlled by Jezebel and that single women under 60 should be denied all aide from the church and the government and “should return to the home of her parents with the object of getting married.” The Day of Prayer & Fasting might turn out to be a really boring story if Perry manages to muzzle the more “colorful” characters. We’ll find out soon–in the future. Why all this talk about stories from the past? Everybody knows that Shrub got a preferential appointment to TANG but skipped out on a lot of his meetings; but that was years ago. Let’s see if RR can find real reasons for liking Perry. Preferably linked to actual actions of the guy. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/170 "2011-07-23T17:30:49Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Let’s see if RR can find real reasons for liking Perry. Preferably linked to actual actions of the guy. Okay, let’s start with this. Has created 40% of the new jobs in this country, while Obama still has a 9.2% Has balanced Texas’ budget, while Obama has run up 4 TRILLION in new debt and is threatening to destroy the economy if he can’t run up more and raise taxes. Is tough on law and order. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/171 "2011-07-23T18:02:33Z")
Pro tip: Finding a new way to borrow money is not the same thing as balancing a budget. And Texas is notoriously lax on law and order. If you commit a crime in Texas, all you have to do is lay low and wait for them to execute some random schmuck for it, and you’re scott-free. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/172 "2011-07-23T20:52:23Z")
All this comparing this or that candidate to Obama is a waste of time. Obama had his shot. He fucked up. Next. I can’t imagine a person I wouldn’t vote for over Obama at this point. I din’t vote for him in '08, but I was quite optimistic. I think he’s a smart guy, just over his head in this particular job. I’d love it if Hillary decided to run against him. HA! That would be genius. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/173 "2011-07-23T21:47:11Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > All this comparing this or that candidate to Obama is a waste of time. Obama had his shot. He fucked up. Next. I can’t imagine a person I wouldn’t vote for over Obama at this point. I din’t vote for him in '08, but I was quite optimistic. I think he’s a smart guy, just over his head in this particular job. I’d love it if Hillary decided to run against him. HA! That would be genius. I wouldn’t say that he screwed up; he certainly compromised too bloody much, but that’s not really the same thing. I think he has done, let’s say, not horribly, with the hand he was dealt. I’d give him a C+ for his first term. I doubt any other Democratic president who was as blindly and, in my opinion, naively committed to bipartisanship as Obama “was” would have done much better under the same circumstances. That said, there’s hope for his second term. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/174 "2011-07-24T00:06:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Pro tip: Finding a new way to borrow money is not the same thing as balancing a budget. > > And Texas is notoriously lax on law and order. If you commit a crime in Texas, all you have to do is lay low and wait for them to execute some random schmuck for it, and you’re scott-free. Right… because you’ve proven how many cases of that actually happening. Texas actually executes their criminals… good for them. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/175 "2011-07-24T00:29:16Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > I wouldn’t say that he screwed up; he certainly compromised too bloody much, but that’s not really the same thing. I think he has done, let’s say, not horribly, with the hand he was dealt. I’d give him a C+ for his first term. I doubt any other Democratic president who was as blindly and, in my opinion, naively committed to bipartisanship as Obama “was” would have done much better under the same circumstances. That said, there’s hope for his second term. He gambled. The economy was the #1 priority, he spent his time and effort on health care. He gambled he could fix both. He lost. And his health care fix might not even be a fix after it gets to the SCOTUS. To hell with him. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/176 "2011-07-24T00:34:58Z")
> [@](#): > > All this comparing this or that candidate to Obama is a waste of time. Obama had his shot. He fucked up. Next. I can’t imagine a person I wouldn’t vote for over Obama at this point. I din’t vote for him in '08, but I was quite optimistic. I think he’s a smart guy, just over his head in this particular job. I’d love it if Hillary decided to run against him. HA! That would be genius. And yet, what you’re doing there is comparing other candidates to Obama. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/177 "2011-07-24T15:43:03Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I can’t imagine a person I wouldn’t vote for over Obama at this point. While I can certainly imagine finding a candidate (yes, even a Republican candidate) that I would vote for in lieu of Barack Obama, I can’t stomach the thought of the current crop of the GOP’s Special Ed Team. See you in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/178 "2011-07-24T17:53:27Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > Right… because you’ve proven how many cases of that actually happening. > > Texas actually executes their criminals… good for them. Hell, that’s just for warm-ups, every once in a while, they execute the totally innocent! _Pour encourager les autres._ ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/179 "2011-07-24T18:52:29Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > Okay, let’s start with this. > > Has created 40% of the new jobs in this country, while Obama still has a 9.2% > > Has balanced Texas’ budget, while Obama has run up 4 TRILLION in new debt and is threatening to destroy the economy if he can’t run up more and raise taxes. Way back in post 131 of this thread, I posted about [the way that Perry has balanced the Texas budget using bogus accounting tricks that just push problems into the next legislature session and will ultimately screw Texans badly.](http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/07/06/261752/perry-budget-accounting-gimmicks/) But I guess you were too busy badmouthing Obama and participating in thread hijacks to pay attention. But the “too long, didn’t read” of the whole situation is that Perry’s balanced budget is just for appearances sake to make him look good for a potential Presidential run. He’s effectively committed the state’s rainy day fund which will have to be used to pay for debts that he moved over into the next fiscal year (by delaying payments for a day). In his time in office, Perry has doubled the Texas state debt. This is the man who you’re holding up as a paragon of economic virtue? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589/180 "2011-07-24T18:56:23Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > Right… because you’ve proven how many cases of that actually happening. > > Texas actually executes their criminals… good for them. Perry was not responsible for resuming the death penalty in Texas, although he’s been enthusiastic about letting people get strapped down to die. Do you foresee President Perry encouraging the Feds to start killing their prisoners? Or decreeing that all states resume doing so–even if they don’t want to? Or does the thought of official killing just make you tingly in your nethers? (Thinking back to the newsies creaming their jeans about Bush’s well-fitted flight suit when he declared “Mission Accomplished.” Although President Obama is the one who actually had Osama offed.) Oh, that [famous budget](http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/07/13/267895/texas-debt-faster/) that slashed education & social programs? > [@](#): > > For all his talk of fiscal conservationism on the national stage, Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) hasn’t been so parsimonious at home, where his state is racking up debt at a faster rate than the national government and in greater amounts than most other states. Perry regularly attacks President Obama for engaging in “too much spending” and running up too much debt, but as the Fort Worth Star-Telegram’s Mitchell Schnurman writes today, Texas’ refusal to raise taxes has led to its own debt ballooning faster than Washington’s. I’ll be glad to read any well-sourced praise of Perry. Find some. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-perry-to-jump-into-the-race/583589.md?page=10)