# Rick Pimpino? (Louisville basketball sex scandal) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 15, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-pimpino-louisville-basketball-sex-scandal/789040 "2017-06-15T17:14:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-pimpino-louisville-basketball-sex-scandal/789040/1 "2017-06-15T17:14:28Z")
[Sanctions. Suspensions. Wins erased. Reputations besmirched. Oooof. > [@](#): > > The NCAA has suspended Louisville basketball coach Rick Pitino for five Atlantic Coast Conference games following its sex scandal investigation. > > The governing body also Thursday placed the basketball program on four years’ probation, vacated wins in which ineligible players participated and handed down a 10-year show-cause order for former basketball operations director Andre McGee. > > The NCAA has not vacated the Cardinals’ 2013 national championship, saying the school must determine which games ineligible players participated in. Players deemed ineligible would be those involved in the sex parties, which are considered impermissible benefits. > [@](#): > > The long-awaited NCAA announcement reiterated its original view that Pitino should have known about McGee’s activities with former escort Katina Powell, who alleged in a 2015 book that staff McGee had hired her and other escorts to strip and have sex with Louisville recruits and players. > > The NCAA’s release included statements by the panel on its decision, which said: “The types of activities that occurred in this case were repugnant and threaten the integrity of the NCAA Collegiate Model, regardless.” > > The NCAA also said, “Without dispute, NCAA rules do not allow institutional staff members to arrange for stripteases and sex acts for prospects, enrolled student-athletes and/or those who accompany them to campus.” ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BKC\_LOUISVILLE\_ESCORTS\_NCAA\_DECISION\_KYOL-?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-15-12-46-08](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BKC_LOUISVILLE_ESCORTS_NCAA_DECISION_KYOL-?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-15-12-46-08))The punishment that hurts the most tho? (bolded) > [@](#): > > Penalties prescribed by the panel also include men’s basketball scholarship reductions and recruiting restrictions; a fine of $5,000, \*\*plus the university must return money received through conference revenue sharing for its appearances in the 2012 to 2015 NCAA men’s basketball championships. > > The NCAA also accepted the university’s self-imposed 2015-16 postseason ban.\*\* ETA: I know that Coach Pitino’s involvement was indirect but he is the coach and so he is responsible for what happens in the program… and I just couldn’t resist the pun. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-pimpino-louisville-basketball-sex-scandal/789040/2 "2017-06-15T18:23:06Z")
> [@](#): > > threaten the integrity of the NCAA Collegiate Model I didn’t realize that the NCAA model had any integrity to challenge. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-pimpino-louisville-basketball-sex-scandal/789040/3 "2017-06-15T20:23:51Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > The punishment that hurts the most tho? “the university must return money received through conference revenue sharing for its appearances in the 2012 to 2015 NCAA men’s basketball championships.” Not as bad as it sounds. A conference gets something like $250,000 per year for six years for each team in the tournament, and another $250,000 per year for each win up through the Elite Eight, but the money is “supposed to” be divided equally among all of the basketball schools in the conference (and when a school changes conferences, it takes its remaining shares with it). By my count, Louisville’s share of the money so far is about $1.2 million, and assuming it stays in the ACC, about $400,000 more over the next three years. Then again, it says that Louisville has to pay back the entire conference’s amount it would have earned for the now-vacated games in future years; if this is correct, that’s $6.25 million over three years. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-pimpino-louisville-basketball-sex-scandal/789040/4 "2017-06-15T21:32:11Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > Not as bad as it sounds. A conference gets something like $250,000 per year for six years for each team in the tournament, and another $250,000 per year for each win up through the Elite Eight, but the money is “supposed to” be divided equally among all of the basketball schools in the conference (and when a school changes conferences, it takes its remaining shares with it). **OOPS** - when a school changes conferences, the money stays with the old conference, unless the conference itself disbands. There is one exception; the American Athletic Conference counts Big East appearances from before the AAC was formed. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-pimpino-louisville-basketball-sex-scandal/789040/5 "2017-06-15T22:56:35Z")
(I should Pit edit windows…) And that rule may have saved Louisville quite a bit of money, at least for now. Here is what Louisville earned: 2012 - 5 shares for the Big East in 2013, and the AAC for each of 2014-2018 2013 - 5 shares for the AAC for each of 2014-2019 2014 - 3 shares for the AAC for each of 2015-2020 2015 - 4 shares for the ACC for each of 2016-2021 The amount per share paid in a particular year is supposed to go up around 2.9% per year, but in 2017, the NCAA siphoned off quite a bit of the money for a one-time payout based on scholarships, and in a few years, money will be transferred to a fund based on graduation rates. Let’s assume each share is a fixed $200,000. 2013 - Louisville got 1/3 of a share from what it earned in 2012 (5 shares; 15 Big East teams) 2014 - Louisville got 1 share from what it earned in 2012-13 (5 shares in 2012 + 5 in 2013 = 10; 10 AAC teams) 2015 - Louisville transferred to the ACC, but its previous shares stay with the AAC, so Louisville got none of the money it earned in earlier seasons 2016 - Louisville got 4/15 of a share from what it earned for the ACC in 2015 (4 shares in 2015; 15 ACC schools) 2017 - Louisville got 4/15 of a share from what it earned for the ACC The total so far = 1 13/15 shares = about $373,000 In addition, Louisville will get 4/15 of a share from what it earned for the ACC for each year from 2018 through 2021 assuming Louisville stays in the ACC and the league has 15 men’s basketball schools; this is about $213,000 over the next four years. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-pimpino-louisville-basketball-sex-scandal/789040/6 "2017-06-16T01:53:09Z")
The NCAA need to have a backbone and give a few death penalties again. What Penn State and UL received are miniscule to what happened. UNC and Baylor should have action against them. All involved have sold their souls for $$. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-pimpino-louisville-basketball-sex-scandal/789040/7 "2017-06-16T09:23:47Z")
The fact that Pitino himself was guilty of adulterous sex should shed light on his lax oversight on this issue. College athletes being given free sex? What’s next, PROFESSIONAL athletes getting blowjobs? Won’t anyone think of the children? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-pimpino-louisville-basketball-sex-scandal/789040/8 "2017-06-16T09:37:27Z")
Actually, I understand some of the prospects involved were as young as 16. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-pimpino-louisville-basketball-sex-scandal/789040/9 "2017-06-16T19:45:15Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > The NCAA need to have a backbone and give a few death penalties again. What Penn State and UL received are miniscule to what happened. UNC and Baylor should have action against them. All involved have sold their souls for $$. I would be fine with both of those programs being blown up. Then again, I’m also a fan of sanctioning coaches, even after they’ve left the university, for recruiting and other scandals that happened under their watch. Far too often, we hear of schools being punished for NCAA violations that happened under a previous coach, then suffering that penalty when everyone involved in the original scandal is long gone. Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, and Larry Brown, I’m looking at you.