Spring Break week my junior year of high school.
Me in the hospital with two broken legs and a fractured hip after being hit by a car.
I thought it was wordy and poorly thought-out.
Mmmm… under certain circumstances this would be a valid objection. But, as Lib and I and several others have pointed out numerous times, the book itself defines the Word of God as something other than itself. I’m not sure what specific sort of fallacy that makes a naked assertion that “the Bible is the Word of God” but it’s clearly one of them, for that reason.
I’m Catholic, I should do. Shrug. The Church does not dictate as to who is “allowed” or “not allowed” to read the Bible. The Church views the Bible as the Word Of God, and the teachings of Jesus, as written down by people. It does not view it as literal. It is parables, allegories, symbols, and various other teaching methods. The words are there to teach deeper “truths”. Just taking bits and pieces, a lot of it (both Old and New Testament) condemns people like Santorum.
Judge not lest ye be judged. - his whole career revolves around judging others.
Thou shalt not bear false witness - he “hints” that gays and liberals are guilty of causing 9/11, destroying the Family, plotting to destroy society itself
As you do to the least of your brethren - In his own state, he told flood victims to pretty much fuck off.
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle - He is “business friendly” provided the businesses are his friends and are very rich, to the detriment of the “commoners” - example, voting to block acces to medicines from Canada and voting against the inclusion of prescription drugs under Medicare.
As for the “virtuous stirring of the shit”:
Romans 12:18 “If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”
A religious firebrand, or a self righteous asshole who seeds doubt for his own benefit:
James 3:6 "And the tongue [is] a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. "
Liars and bullshitters in general (general treachery):
Jeremiah 9:4-9 “Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders. And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, [and] weary themselves to commit iniquity. Thine habitation [is] in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD. Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, I will melt them, and try them; for how shall I do for the daughter of my people? Their tongue [is as] an arrow shot out; it speaketh deceit: [one] speaketh peaceably to his neighbour with his mouth, but in heart he layeth his wait. Shall I not visit them for these [things]? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?”
Now here, right from the Pretty Good Book is a list of things that God despises. Compare it to what our current elected officials do:
Proverbs 6:16-19 "These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. "
Maybe Santorum should take time and read the book he touts so much. It is a very nice pitting of him.
[Lumberg] Uh, yeah, if you could just get the other folks to not vote for him, that would be great. [/Lumberg]
His own state hell, it was his own hometown. AND he said it to one women’s face live on the evening news!
I’m surprised that you’re surprised, Eve. I don’t know a single christian under the age of 65 who has read the entire bible.
I finished it at age 14, and go back over it occasionally, so when someone mentions their christianity to me (I’m never the first to bring up religion anymore), I always ask them if they’ve read the bible. They invariably answer “no”, and then are invariably shocked when they find out that I have (whether they know I’m an atheist or not; usually they don’t unless they ask me directly.)
I try to tell them, in nice words, that if they’re going to base the rest of eternity on a book, they might want to, you know, read the book. This almost never clicks with them, or at most I’ll get a “I know. I should, I should.”
The way I see it, even if you’re not “into” that sort of thing, not reading the bible is like not reading Shakespeare or not watching Star Wars. When there’s that much fuss over something, it might be worth it to check it out. Everyone’s mileage will vary, of course, but it seems to me that this should apply fairly strictly to self-proclaimed christians.
Just as a footnote: When I say “bible” I mean the whole package; OT and NT. Not just one or the other. I asked my friend to get me a bible from his church awhile back because all of mine are at my parents’ house back east, and I was shocked to see that it didn’t have the OT in it!
For the record, I’ve read the New Testament cover to cover (over the course of two years of confirmation class when I was 13 and 14). I decided about a year later that I was an atheist.
Reading comprehension problem? Didn’t read the whole thread? No where does the Senator ever say he doesn’t read the Bible- it is just that he has “never read it cover to cover”- two entirely different things.
Santorum may well be an asshole and a hypocrite. But the fact that he has " never read the Bible cover to cover" doesn’t prove either, nor does it say that he doesn’t " read the book he touts so much". If the pope himself admitted he had never " never read the Bible cover to cover" it wouldn’t suprise me. That’s simply not the way one generally reads the Bible.
There are likely Bible transalators and editors who haven’t done do either.
It’s not a “nice pitting”- it is a pitting based upon ignorance and an out and out lie by the OP.
Reading something ‘cover to cover’ means you’ve read all of it. It doesn’t mean you sit down and hammer the whole thing out in one go without resting. If you need to adopt a patently absurd interpretation of the phrase in order to support your argument, that should tell you something about your argument.
What the hell are you smoking? Words like “lie"have an actual meaning, you know. The only statement of fact in the OP was, "
It’s not easy to strike me speechless, but danged if that didn’t do it.” I have no dought this was a statement of fact. The rest was just a quote from a newspaper that was quite likely to be true, but the OP was right to think it was likely to be true, but it… Oh, you get the point.
However, if what you are saying it there is no problem with staying home, and not reading the actual words of the book they hold so dear actually says then that speaks for it self.
Personally, I believe that the christian’s holy book is full of contradictions, and reading the whole thing would expose them to these people.
Since this is the Pit, I can tell you to go fuck yourself for every time you’ve lied about me:
Go fuck yourself.
Go fuck yourself.
Go fuck yourself.
Read my OP. I quote Santorum’s words directly. How am I lying about him? And I repeat, how can anyone consider him or herself a good Christian, Jew or Muslim and show no interest in reading, in toto, the book on which their entire religion is based? I’ve always felt religious people had a shaky grasp of reality, but now I see that hypocrisy and laziness can also be big factors in their worldview.
That’s very interesting, would you mind referencing a verse where it defines the word of God as something else? I don’t doubt you, I just had no idea that was there.
Does it actually say that “something else” is the Word, to the exclusion of all else? If it only says something else is, that doesn’t necessarily mean other things are not.
Miss Crabtree: “Class, your assignment was to read The Great Gatsby. Little Spanky Santorum, did you complete the assignment?”
Spanky Santorum: “I’ve never read The Great Gatsby cover to cover; maybe I should have . . . I’m not a scholar. I’m not someone who has chapters he can pop out. That’s not how I interact with the assignment.”
Miss Crabtree: “Well, you flunk, you little motherfucker.”
Does lying, while knowing full well you are lying come under the heading of being a jerk? 
Here’s a data point, for whatever it’s worth:
I have read the entire Bible, New American version, both Old and New Testaments.
If someone asked me, “Have you read the Bible cover to cover?” I would likely say, “Well, I’ve read the WHOLE THING, but I wouldn’t use ‘cover-to-cover’ as a useful phrase, since I did not start with Genesis and end with Revelations in order.” If my questioner insisted on a ‘yes or no’ answer, I suppose I’d answer ‘no’.
Yet I have read the whole blessed thing.
You read everything between the front COVER, to the back COVER. No one asked what order you did it in.
I read the NT before I finished the last 1/3 of the OT but I would still say, with full conviction, that I’ve read the bible “cover to cover.”
I would agree that it’s fairly unusual for an adult to start reading the Bible at the beginning and continue until reaching the end. People who have done this are a subset of those who have read the Bible in its entirety. Others have read the entire Bible, in non-consecutive order.
It’s not the same kind of book as, say, a novel, which is harder to appreciate if not read this way.
A valid clarifying question for the Senator would be whether he’s read the entire Bible.
On preview, what Cisco said.
My point was not about reading it all cover to cover, my point was that he seems to have not read quite a large part of it, or chooses to ignore a large part of it, pertaining to how it slams his own behavior. The other part of my statement was that the Bible itself pits Santorum’s actions.
Ahh nothing like the broad strokes to insult billions of people regardless of their political views. Everyone from Guin to Santorum…and in between, is lazy, hypocritical and has a shaky grasp of reality?
Of course by your logic…I suppose there aren’t very many “good Americans” either. When was the last time you read the Constitution, in toto?
And really…since the country has origins in other writings like the Federalist papers, have you read them in toto, as well? And you really need to add Locke and Hobbes to the list as well, in toto…if we’re considering crucial writings.
If the answer is no…perhaps you (or anyone else on the dope who answers no) should go to the library and read the documents in toto before spouting off about civil liberties or political issues?
Right?