# Rick Warren. Rick fucking Warren. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 17, 2008, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647 "2008-12-17T22:23:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/341 "2008-12-27T08:54:10Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And you are a raving loony. Look, it’s an Oppression License with the word ‘gay’ crossed out and the word ‘faithful’ written in with crayon! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/342 "2008-12-27T13:14:18Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And you are a raving loony. You’re a delusional whore. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/343 "2008-12-27T14:25:22Z")
Now, now. Der Trihs is not a whore, he gives it away for free. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/344 "2008-12-27T15:07:53Z")
Hippies don’t screw on a first date. We don’t date. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/345 "2008-12-27T15:13:48Z")
So is this the part of the thread where we disintegrate into name calling, and spawn related threads explaining how and why a particular fellow poster is a doodie-head? If so, I’d prefer to define our terms. May I propose that the phrases “delusional whore”, “raving loony”, “hand biter” and “toothless chihuahua” be jointly regarded as not relevant to the point of contention? Perhaps for the heterosexual Obama supporters who are upset and insulted by the Warren choice, we could use the terms: reactionary, offenderati, loony left and p.c. police? And for the heterosexual Obama supporters who are supportive of the Warren choice due to shared beliefs (religious or otherwise), we could use the terms: homophobe, religious fanatic, fundie nut, and oppressor? And for the heterosexual Obama supporters who are supportive of the Warren choice due to political pragmatism, we could use the terms: unempathetic, uncommited, DINO’s, Obama worshipers and enablers? And for the homosexual Obama supporters who are upset and insulted by the Warren choice, we could use the terms: militant gay, shrill, unrealistic and extremist? And for the homosexual Obama supporters who are supportive of the Warren choice (for any reason), we could use the terms: traitorous, Aunt/Uncle Tom, Obama-crush-whores and Republicans. But for all the non-Obama supporters, we can just use: swine, dupes, tools, dicks or running dog enemies of the people. That should cover 90% of the people who give a shit about this. And establish a nice common ground of hatred and distrust that assures a good long discussion that we’ll never have to suspend due to unscheduled agreement or some other stupid reason. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/346 "2008-12-27T17:50:36Z")
I like to think of myself as a special snowflake, thank you very much. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/347 "2008-12-27T18:04:23Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > You’re a delusional whore. And you’re a Satan-worshipping cannibal ! See ? Insults with no connection to reality don’t have much bite, do they ? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/348 "2008-12-27T19:17:46Z")
You’d be surprised. Bit of warning? Never, ever, ever quote The Exorcist around people who weren’t already thinking in that direction. Apparently, “Your mother sucks cocks in hell!” is not taken as hyperbole. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/349 "2008-12-27T21:43:47Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Insults with no connection to reality don’t have much bite, do they ? Which is why your arguments in GD always fail. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/350 "2008-12-27T21:53:07Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Which is why your arguments in GD always fail. According to you. But then, you’re a loony. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/351 "2008-12-28T03:00:46Z")
He may be a loony, but he’s pretty close to right there. You’re not convincing. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/352 "2008-12-28T14:32:52Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > I like to think of myself as a special snowflake, thank you very much. without the snow? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/353 "2008-12-28T14:46:17Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Those two sentences don’t go together. Bush got us into deep shit in part because the people on his side were in complete lockstep with everything he did. They took seriously, and took up the calls of their own, the “either you’re with us or against us” rhetoric. Bush literally got away with murder because people who might have mattered to him didn’t see what was going on, or if they did, didn’t speak up because he was a Republican. That’s true but clearly not the only reasons. Many people objected early on and then more and more. What did we actually _do_ about it other than protest and blog? Sometimes the crisis and the issue calls for more. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/354 "2008-12-29T13:56:45Z")
> [@Anduril](#): > > The harm in the gesture, Lib is that he is providing cover to the bigotry in the foolish hope that Rick Warren will eventually become a champion of gay rights which everyone knows will not happen. There are plenty of champions already. Gays don’t need a champion, but it couldn’t hurt to have “the most influential preacher in America” sit on the fence, if not actually being on our side, could it? Anyway, who says he can’t become a champion of gay rights? **Bricker** is, and he’d be the first to tell you he didn’t think that way 10 (or even five?) years ago. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/355 "2008-12-29T15:07:15Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > There are plenty of champions already. Gays don’t need a champion, but it couldn’t hurt to have “the most influential preacher in America” sit on the fence, if not actually being on our side, could it? > > Anyway, who says he can’t become a champion of gay rights? **Bricker** is, and he’d be the first to tell you he didn’t think that way 10 (or even five?) years ago. **Bricker** ’s livelihood, fame and general public opinion don’t depend on his stance on gay rights, either. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/356 "2008-12-29T15:15:44Z")
It might surprise you, Jayjay, to learn just how mindlessly some of these people follow their leaders. If Warren were to tell his flock that God had revealed to him a new interpretation of scripture, and that based on his new reading men should now kiss one another’s nipples, you would see a whole new wave of left-coast shirt lifting and nipple smooching as men gather for Bible study. I do exaggerate, but not by much. What those people want, at its root, is to be of one mind. Their leader serves the purpose of telling them what that ought to be. ---
**Author:** ![Anduril](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c0e974/32.png) [@Anduril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anduril)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/357 "2008-12-29T18:30:16Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > There are plenty of champions already. Gays don’t need a champion, but it couldn’t hurt to have “the most influential preacher in America” sit on the fence, if not actually being on our side, could it? > > Anyway, who says he can’t become a champion of gay rights? **Bricker** is, and he’d be the first to tell you he didn’t think that way 10 (or even five?) years ago. On the fence? How so? His position on civil unions is unclear at best and he is against gay marriage. How is this on the fence? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/358 "2008-12-29T19:32:57Z")
> [@Anduril](#): > > On the fence? How so? His position on civil unions is unclear at best and he is against gay marriage. How is this on the fence? He’s not, obviously. The point is that if he’s included in our big ol’ tent, he might change his mind. If he’s excluded, he’s just going to get bitter, which probably means he’ll be even less “unclear” vis-a-vis civil unions. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/359 "2008-12-29T19:50:04Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > He’s not, obviously. The point is that if he’s included in our big ol’ tent, he might change his mind. > > If he’s excluded, he’s just going to get bitter, which probably means he’ll be even less “unclear” vis-a-vis civil unions. Sort of. The point, really, is that familiarity doesn’t breed contempt, it just breeds… familiarity. Which is the enemy of ignorance. If we continue to chip away at ignorance, those policy preferences which are based on ignorance will collapse. But we can’t chip away at ignorance unless the ignorant are willing to open their eyes, ears and yes, hearts. Giving the ignorant a place at our table is a necessary part of that approach. And unless you think a significant majority of the electorate can be ignored just because they’re wrong, you can see where winning enough of them over just might be the sensible approach to take. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647/360 "2008-12-30T14:42:20Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > According to [Salon](http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/12/17/rick_warren/index.html), Congress did. I suspect the blog in my OP merely oversimplified. > No, a good cross-aisle gesture would be to have a conservative preacher who _doesn’t_ hate gay people. :rolleyes: And of course, anyone who doesn’t conform to liberal ideology must be “full of hate.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-rick-fucking-warren/477647.md?page=19)