# Rick Warren, Saddleback Church **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2010, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618 "2010-02-19T13:16:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Brunhilda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cdc98d/32.png) [@Brunhilda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brunhilda)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618/21 "2010-02-20T03:29:44Z")
> [@Shirley\_Ujest](#): > > I would, but all they do is the same position every time. I think you win the thread ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618/22 "2010-02-20T04:18:17Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > It’s true that “proportionality” is not further defined, but it seems like they are suggesting that current penalties need to be moderated. I don’t know that that’s a reasonable assumption. He could just as easily think that the penalties are disproportionately light for homosexuals. I’d certainly hope that the Anglican Church in Uganda is opposed to harsher penalties for their homosexual citizens, but the fact that they’re in favor of _any_ penalties makes me very hesitant to give them the benefit of the doubt. Does anyone have any evidence of what Orombi (or the church in general) actually thinks is the appropriate government sanction for homosexuality? ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618/23 "2010-02-20T05:40:57Z")
Saddleback sounds like a gay sex act. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618/24 "2010-02-20T06:12:12Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Saddleback sounds like a gay sex act. [Saddlebacking as a name for a sex act has already been covered by Dan Savage](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddlebacking#Saddlebacking) ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618/25 "2010-02-20T07:05:18Z")
It would be a very simple thing to make clear they believe that the death sentence is an inappropriate punishment for homosexual acts – period. But they don’t, which leads me to infer that (at best) they think the death penalty is applicable is under too many circumstances. Perhaps they think it should be reserved for extremely flamboyant gays. Is there a Ugandan Sigfried and Roy? ---
**Author:** ![Amber\_in\_Treasury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Amber\_in\_Treasury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amber_in_Treasury)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618/26 "2010-02-20T13:33:56Z")
Bet the guy’s so far in the closet he can see Narnia. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618/27 "2010-02-20T16:10:35Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Pastor Warren has spoken out against the law much more since the Nov 29th statement. This puts the “political non-interference” quote in context adds a big But… > and as PeeWee Herman has said “We all have a big But”. > > [http://www.youtube.com/saddlebackchurch#p/u/10/1jmGu9o4fDE](http://www.youtube.com/saddlebackchurch#p/u/10/1jmGu9o4fDE) > > Parker need to get her Google-fu on. Well that video pretty well destroys the accusations brought forth in the OP. Not his fault, but thank God for videos and youtube . ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618/28 "2010-02-20T16:19:30Z")
> [@Amber\_in\_Treasury](#): > > Bet the guy’s so far in the closet he can see Narnia. You sayin’ he’s got clothes hangers on his ears? Mothballs in his pockets? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618/29 "2010-02-20T18:36:03Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Well that video pretty well destroys the accusations brought forth in the OP. Not his fault, but thank God for videos and youtube . Doesn’t matter. No one here’s bothered to comment on it till you. They’re too busy enjoying the Two-Minute Hate (which has already stretched to two days & may go for two weeks). ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618/30 "2010-02-20T19:45:30Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Doesn’t matter. No one here’s bothered to comment on it till you. They’re too busy enjoying the Two-Minute Hate (which has already stretched to two days & may go for two weeks). _ahem_ ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618/31 "2010-02-20T22:28:52Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > _ahem_ WHOOPS! Didn’t know that you linked to the same thing on another site! No one EXCEPT RNATB has commented… oh never mind, can I borrow your name for a lil’ bit? Thank you for your acknowledgement of Warren’s announcement & correction of me! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618/32 "2010-02-21T14:51:59Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Doesn’t matter. No one here’s bothered to comment on it till you. They’re too busy enjoying the Two-Minute Hate (which has already stretched to two days & may go for two weeks). Here’s a couple of RTFirefly’s debate rules for you: 1. If you post a link that supposedly supports your position, nobody’s obligated to pretend it does any such thing unless you either: a) quote the relevant part, or b) summarize the relevant content, and (if the link’s more than a few paragraphs long) make clear just where in the link that content can be found. 2. If you’re going to cite video, then you’re obligated to quote enough of it to give other posters a good reason to click on the rest. (Yes, you can take a few minutes to do your own transcription of a couple of key sentences.) And directions such as “the key part starts at 1:55 in and runs to about 2:40” are pretty much mandatory. The underlying principle is: just because you post a link, someone trying to rebut your argument is under no obligation to: (1) go to the link, (2) try to suss out which parts of it seem to support your argument, (3) essentially make your argument for you, and (4) rebut it. The first three steps are yours; only the last one is their responsibility. The burden is on you to make it clear what’s there and how you’re using it. If you’re not willing to do that, then kindly fuck off. And accusing your adversaries in debate of engaging in a Two-Minute Hate, on account of their failure to do what you should have done for them, is really pretty assholish, btw. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618/33 "2010-02-21T14:56:58Z")
Having said that: > [@Skammer](#): > > From your story: This is not just misleading, it is an out-and-out lie, at least concerning Archbishop Orombi. > > [CHURCH OF UGANDA’S POSITION ON THE ANTI HOMOSEXUALITY BILL 2009](http://chelmsfordanglicanmainstream.blogspot.com/2010/02/church-of-ugandas-position-on-anti.html) > So, without question the Church of Uganda and Abp Orombi are anti-homosexuality. However, they do not support the proposed legislation nor the adoption of capital punishment for offenders. Yet that doesn’t keep liberal Anglicans from spreading the lie. Your quote doesn’t support your position. All it suggests is that they have technical differences with the bill in question. If you can’t quote the part where they’re against the death penalty for gays, why should I believe it exists? Why should I waste time going to the link and trying to ferret it out, when you (who are presumably more motivated to do so) can’t seem to manage that trick? Sheesh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rick-warren-saddleback-church/529618.md?page=1)