# Ridculous, hypocritical double standards here **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [December 3, 2018, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469 "2018-12-03T00:11:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/41 "2018-12-05T16:32:25Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > My problem is with the hypocrisy, so I started a thread about that. I’ve not (that I recall) posted in an FGM thread, the thread I was banned from posting in was a misogyny thread, and the ban was because I talked about hypocrisy, not circumcision. Do you understand now that there is no hypocrisy, because misogyny and misandry are not magically equivalent? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/42 "2018-12-05T16:32:40Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I’m not entirely sure why you’re telling Steophan to start his own thread, in a thread he started. A thread on the subject he wanted to put into a different thread. This is a ATMB thread about the moderation of the board effectively. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/43 "2018-12-05T16:37:53Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Do you understand now that there is no hypocrisy, because misogyny and misandry are not magically equivalent? I don’t “understand” that, as it’s not true. They are equivalent, they are treating people as lesser due to their gender, and that should be unacceptable. Now, they may not be equally prevalent, or equally damaging on a societal level (although they are definitely equally damaging on a personal level), but deliberately reaching for one to counter the other is hugely hypocritical. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/44 "2018-12-05T16:41:24Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I don’t “understand” that, as it’s not true. They are equivalent, they are treating people as lesser due to their gender, and that should be unacceptable. > > Now, they may not be equally prevalent, or equally damaging on a societal level (although they are definitely equally damaging on a personal level), but deliberately reaching for one to counter the other is hugely hypocritical. So in the 1830’s the racism of whites in the South against blacks was equally bad as the racism of blacks in the South against whites, because racism is racism and is always unacceptable, therefore discussing slavery in the South is hypocritical unless one also brings up the fact that the black slaves didn’t like their white masters - or other white people - very much. Got it, thank you for fighting my ignorance! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/45 "2018-12-05T20:27:06Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > When people try to claim that mutilating infants differs in morality based on sex, “stirring shit up” is an appropriate response. When people try to silence people because of gender or any other immutable characteristic, “stiring shit up” is an appropriate response. Why, it’s like you’re some sort of …Warrior. Fighting for right -nay, Justice - in our little Society… A WJS, if you will. Although I think _some_ people might have a different opinion as to whether your _reason_ for stirring shit up is relevant when it’s stirring things up to stir them up that’s the problem… ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/46 "2018-12-05T22:51:35Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > So in the 1830’s the racism of whites in the South against blacks was equally bad as the racism of blacks in the South against whites, because racism is racism and is always unacceptable, therefore discussing slavery in the South is hypocritical unless one also brings up the fact that the black slaves didn’t like their white masters - or other white people - very much. Got it, thank you for fighting my ignorance! If ten times as many whites as blacks were being kept in slavery, _and_ there was no argument that keeping blacks in slavery was wrong, _and_ people kept talking about blacks being enslaved while not just ignoring but actively supporting the enslavement of whites, this would be a good analogy to circumcision. As for racism in general, anyone who’s a victim should be able to speak about it. Dividing people for the purpose of victimhood is what the racists, or sexists, or whatever want. Were I actually on the right, I’d be laughing my head off at the damage TERFs and SJWs, and BLM for that matter, are doing to the causes they supposedly represent. As it is, I can only sit in the middle, sadly shake my head, and wait for some semblance of sanity to appear from either side. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/47 "2018-12-05T22:53:17Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Why, it’s like you’re some sort of …Warrior. Fighting for right -nay, Justice - in our little Society… > > A WJS, if you will. > > Although I think _some_ people might have a different opinion as to whether your _reason_ for stirring shit up is relevant when it’s stirring things up to stir them up that’s the problem… More of an Equality Rogue, I’d say. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/48 "2018-12-05T23:12:30Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > If ten times as many whites as blacks were being kept in slavery, _and_ there was no argument that keeping blacks in slavery was wrong, _and_ people kept talking about blacks being enslaved while not just ignoring but actively supporting the enslavement of whites, this would be a good analogy to circumcision. > > As for racism in general, anyone who’s a victim should be able to speak about it. Dividing people for the purpose of victimhood is what the racists, or sexists, or whatever want. Were I actually on the right, I’d be laughing my head off at the damage TERFs and SJWs, and BLM for that matter, are doing to the causes they supposedly represent. As it is, I can only sit in the middle, sadly shake my head, and wait for some semblance of sanity to appear from either side. If ten times as many whites as blacks were being kept in slavery, _and_ “black slavery” referred to slavery as it actually was – people being kept as property and forced into hard labor – while “white slavery” referred to service sector employees who are being paid less than minimum wage because it is expected that tips will make up the rest, but this is not always the case – then “black slavery” would be analogous to FGM while “white slavery” would be analogous to male circumcision. Ironic that you would bring up FGM though, because the post you quoted was responding to this: > [@](#): > > I don’t “understand” that, as it’s not true. They are equivalent, they are treating people as lesser due to their gender, and that should be unacceptable. > > Now, they may not be equally prevalent, or equally damaging on a societal level (although they are definitely equally damaging on a personal level), but deliberately reaching for one to counter the other is hugely hypocritical. Which was a post where you were trying to defend your argument that misandry and misogyny are exactly the same. So I’m not sure why you brought in FGM or circumcision. Do you care to respond to my actual point? Namely – precisely because misandry and misogyny are not equally prevalent or equally damaging, pretending that they are exactly the same is kind of a messed up thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/49 "2018-12-06T01:18:24Z")
edit: joke was funnier in my head. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/50 "2018-12-06T05:23:32Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > More of an Equality Rogue, I’d say. Well, that whooshed right by you, I see. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/51 "2018-12-06T07:18:20Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Well, that whooshed right by you, I see. I understood your “joke”, seems you didn’t get mine. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/52 "2018-12-06T07:22:22Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Namely – precisely because misandry and misogyny are not equally prevalent or equally damaging, pretending that they are exactly the same is kind of a messed up thing to do. They are equally damaging to the victims. Shutting out victims because of their gender is wrong. It’s that simple. But I suppose I should just take my male privilege to be more likely to be homeless, commit suicide, be locked up for the same crime, be the victim of violence, and so on, and shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/53 "2018-12-06T07:43:19Z")
Yeah, pretty much. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/54 "2018-12-06T09:04:49Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I understood your “joke” Oh, I very much doubt that. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/55 "2018-12-06T09:18:50Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > They are equally damaging to the victims. . no, only in the disturbed imaginings of the MRA anti- circ activism. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/56 "2018-12-06T13:34:34Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > They are equally damaging to the victims. WRONG! Fake news! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469/57 "2018-12-06T20:10:44Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > They are equally damaging to the victims. Shutting out victims because of their gender is wrong. It’s that simple. > > But I suppose I should just take my male privilege to be more likely to be homeless, commit suicide, be locked up for the same crime, be the victim of violence, and so on, and shut up. Actually, you’re right. Shutting out victims\* is \*wrong. So we should embrace all the white victims of racism in the 1830s South. All the whites who didn’t even own slaves, but got dirty looks from freed blacks when they traveled north. All the slave owners who had to endure so much hate - so many escape attempts, rebellions, and [mean letters](http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/01/to-my-old-master.html). For too long, we have ignored these victims. Thank you, **Steophan** , for opening my eyes to their plight! Because like you said, shutting out victims because of their race is just WRONG. > [@Steophan](#): > > It’s that simple. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridculous-hypocritical-double-standards-here/825469.md?page=2)