# Ridding the world of EEEvillll \[Windows 10\] **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 27, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151 "2016-08-27T16:33:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/21 "2016-08-28T14:05:53Z")
Which is exactly the behavior Windows has had since XP. Yep, Microsoft didn’t change it iota one. And yet the whining continues. I have 7, 8, and 10 on various machines. Damned if I can really tell the difference except for the color scheme & menu layout. I do development, so I spend a lot of time rooting around on the inside, not just living in the browser and/or Excel as so many users do. Almost all the instability on XP was caused by garbage drivers written by 3rd party hardware companies. Microsoft finally realized they would always be blamed for the instability, so it was smarter for them to clamp down on driver behavior at the risk of creating incompatibilities at upgrade time than to keep coddling crappy driverware by letting it run and crash the OS every so often. So for 7 they tightened it up a bunch. 10 finishes the rollout of the “we refuse to run junk drivers” initiative. The same initiative Apple has had since the 1990s and which contributed to their greater stability in all those prior years. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/22 "2016-08-28T18:31:22Z")
> [@Medi-Mouth1565p](#): > > I intend to do my part and I am asking that you join me. Remove those OSs, hard drives, laptops or desk tops, throw them in the river, in front of a train, install windows .45(caliber) or whatever is in your power. > > Am I alone here when I say that Windows 10 has got me saving my milk money for a MAC? Am I the only one that has boot CDs and flash drives at the ready? Am I the only one that has lost information, time and hair because of Windows 10? am I the only one that has devices that are incompatible with Windows 10 laying around gathering dust? > > How about the fact that there are updates coming and someday Windows 10 will be stable, does not console you? Do you believe Microsoft should have gone on to 11? I will stop now for your opinions. I’ve got Windows 10 on several machines at home, and a few dozen machines at work. They’re fine. One exception: I had problems upgrading _one_ of them from Windows 7, because of what turned out to be a faulty memory controller. I’m sorry that you seem to have had problems, but I have no idea why you think your problems are a reason for other people to ditch what is actually a very stable and functional OS. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/23 "2016-08-28T18:52:28Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > Nope. I’ve been using Windows 10 since it’s been released. I can’t figure out what the hell people are so bent out of shape over. > > no, scratch that. I know what people are so bent out of shape over, and that is it’s a new version of Windows. we go through this bullshit every time. > > “Windows (%NEW\_VERSION%) sucks! You can pry my Windows (%CURRENT\_VERSION%) from my cold dead hands!” :rolleyes: I tried 10. Made my system crash every time it went into screen saver, requiring a hard reboot each time. Fuck that shit. Went back to 7 and staying there until I get a new system. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/24 "2016-08-28T20:49:54Z")
Some people have problems and some say it is great. Now if no one is lying, why would some have these rather bad problems and others don’t? Forced updates, restarts that cost people work, adds in Free Cell??? That is the deal breaker for me Only reason I do not stay with Linux is the style of Free Cell that I like. Yeah, it is that important. Þ, Þ, Þ A company that tries to trick me into an upgrade is one I will leave as soon as I cam. Too bad I do not like apple. Need to go look at Linux again. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/25 "2016-08-29T00:35:26Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > Now if no one is lying, why would some have these rather bad problems and others don’t? PEBKAC. I like Win10. I liked Win8, too. and Windows 7. /shrug ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/26 "2016-08-29T03:33:35Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > \*\*Nope. I’ve been using Windows 10 since it’s been released. I can’t figure out what the hell people are so bent out of shape over. > > no, scratch that. I know what people are so bent out of shape over, and that is it’s a new version of Windows. we go through this bullshit every time.\*\* > > “Windows (%NEW\_VERSION%) sucks! You can pry my Windows (%CURRENT\_VERSION%) from my cold dead hands!” > > the dimps who were decrying Windows XP as “Fisher Price bullshit” are the same ones who screamed and whined that Microsoft was dropping support 14 years later. I loved it, too. I couldn’t figure out why people were so upset. Until that fucking anniversary update and my laptop was HOSED. I lost so much time uninstalling, reinstalling, restoring and in general trying to un-hose it. Yes, I had the boot drive. It didn’t work very well at all. I had a lot of installation failures and if I ever see “watch dog initialization” frozen on my screen again there will be a broken window and a laptop in pieces in the driveway. Somehow, I managed to fix it although I still couldn’t tell you HOW. Of course, I had to reinstall all my programs, I mean, APPS, and I still haven’t figured out the right driver for my card reader or reinstalled my wireless printer. I love how in this version Cortana can’t be turned off. /sarcasm. I found a way to edit the registry to disable it, but it’s still showing up in places and calling me Miranda. WTF? My name isn’t Miranda! ??? I still have another laptop that I’ve kept turned off since this mess as it will update without my permission, too. I have to get past this trauma first. Signed, former Windows 10 cheerleader. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/27 "2016-08-29T04:41:17Z")
as a birthday gift the MIL bought my wife a brand new laptop with winx on it. She asked me if I wanted her to do the upgrade on my laptop from 7 to 10. Having read so many horror stories here and elsewhere I declined. For the new machine with 10 factory installed, its been…ok, mediocre, but ok. Not a lot of functionality difference from 7. Wife had me set IE as the default browser and unpin edge from the tool bar because of privacy and customization issues. A lot of the customization of software settings and programs is gone which is aggravating but over all, I would say it was … adequate, far as we can tell we’ve had no issues with turning off that damn cortana thing either. I wouldn’t recommend it, but its not really terrible, just, well, underwhelming. all though it was somewhat frustrating figuring out where they hid stuff and finding as disabling as much of the windows spyware crap as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/28 "2016-08-29T04:47:36Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Someone mentioned Linux, and I have a question: does Linux have a graphic user interface, akin to windows – icons that you click to launch apps, etc.? I have some Unix experience…but only as a command line interpreter. Do various Linux installations come with Windows-like functionality, user-friendly and pretty and easy as point-and-click? For basic functionality you can install a Linux that works just like Windows. I installed Ubuntu on my mother’s laptop (to prevent her from accidentally installing hijack-ware) and it works just fine for her and she’s about as far from a savvy user as you can imagine. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/29 "2016-08-29T04:47:54Z")
missed the edit window, forgot to mention that as of now we are able to turn off updates completely (I think, we will see I guess) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/30 "2016-08-29T05:20:50Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > For basic functionality you can install a Linux that works just like Windows. I installed Ubuntu on my mother’s laptop (to prevent her from accidentally installing hijack-ware) and it works just fine for her and she’s about as far from a savvy user as you can imagine. Nifty! Thanks! (I was a professional Unix admin for nine years…wrote a lot of scripts…but it was always from a command line. We never had anything pretty or fun.) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/31 "2016-08-29T05:25:50Z")
Upgraded from Win 7 mainly because I wanted to be able to take advantage of DirectX 12. Waited until nearly the last minute but it went painlessly and the learning curve was less than half an hour to get it looking like my old set-up with just minor differences remaining. As for the forced updates, I’m no fan either but guess what? Microsoft is pushing the same thing to Win 7 and Win 8 updates now. So unless you plan on never updating your Windows again (goodbye security) you’re in the same boat. I’m not happy with Microsoft’s choices on who gets to control what but the functioning of the OS itself hasn’t been an issue for me. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/32 "2016-08-29T12:32:08Z")
This board has had the same interface forever and ever. It is not New And Improved, which explains why posting has declined. Obviously Ed and The Powers That Be\* need to dramatically revamp things so that everything looks different and no one can figure out how to use the board. \*performing tonight in Hazard, KY. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/33 "2016-08-29T12:41:14Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Which is exactly the behavior Windows has had since XP. Yep, Microsoft didn’t change it iota one. I just tried it in my work laptop and that didn’t work. It worked with left click, as it’s done since XP. Left \<\> right. One of you, or maybe both, has laterality problems. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/34 "2016-08-29T12:53:32Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > I just tried it in my work laptop and that didn’t work. It worked with left click, as it’s done since XP. Left \<\> right. One of you, or maybe both, has laterality problems. :rolleyes: The start button can get borked in Win 10 though, the second solution in this link fixed my dad’s computer when he had trouble with it. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/35 "2016-08-29T13:08:58Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > :rolleyes: > > The start button can get borked in Win 10 though, the second solution in this link fixed my dad’s computer when he had trouble with it. > **[3 fixes for a dead Windows 10 Start menu](https://www.pcworld.com/article/420150/3-fixes-for-a-dead-windows-10-start-menu.html)** > > We all celebrated when Microsoft brought back the Start menu. But that joy disappears quickly if the Start menu doesn't pop up. Here are three possible solutions. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/36 "2016-08-29T14:44:39Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Windows 10 has issues with its automatic updates–in that they are forced on you in a way they never were before. I do know a lot of people who have lost work because Windows restarted their computer. It can screw you if you have download limits too. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/37 "2016-08-29T16:27:52Z")
Windows 10 update breaks webcam functionality for millions of people: > **[Microsoft Has Broken Millions Of Webcams With Windows 10 Anniversary Update](https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/76719/microsoft-broken-millions-webcams-windows-10-anniversary-update)** > > With the release of the Anniversary update earlier this month, Microsoft has accidentally broken millions of webcams after it removed a feature that was used by HD webcams. Windows 10 update breaks Powershell: > **[Windows 10 update breaks PowerShell and Microsoft won't fix it until next week](https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-update-breaks-powershell-and-microsoft-wont-fix-it-until-next-week/)** > > Microsoft offers one more reason not to update Windows 10. After update, plugging in Kindle crashes Windows 10: [http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows\_10-performance/plugging-in-kindle-is-crashing-windows-10-after/5db0d867-0822-4512-919e-3d7786353f95?page=1&auth=1](http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-performance/plugging-in-kindle-is-crashing-windows-10-after/5db0d867-0822-4512-919e-3d7786353f95?page=1&auth=1) Windows 10 update breaks RDP (insider preview, but still …) [https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/e1ce2bea-4a39-4975-89e6-027117f021ed/kb3176938-14393103-is-breaking-something-in-network-security?forum=win10itprosecurity](https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/e1ce2bea-4a39-4975-89e6-027117f021ed/kb3176938-14393103-is-breaking-something-in-network-security?forum=win10itprosecurity) Someday Windows 10 may be a fine operating system that I will trust on my hardware. Today is not that day. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/38 "2016-08-29T20:14:36Z")
I use all three major desktop OSes on a regular basis and they all have their problems with large updates. After months of holding off I updated OS/X to El Capitan and all hell broke loose–I still can’t get a few peripheries working–and it trashed my pmset changes. A few months ago I updated Ubuntu to 16.04 LTS and it took me days of mucking with /etc files to stop it from eating up the CPU. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/39 "2016-08-29T20:42:15Z")
Personally, I’m sticking with Win 7 for the time being, because I have a stable, working machine without any real issues. Nothing about Win 10 has really sold me on the idea that it’ll be an improvement, merely that it won’t suck any worse, or so they say. And there’s plenty of evidence to the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151/40 "2016-08-29T21:07:44Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Personally, I’m sticking with Win 7 for the time being, because I have a stable, working machine without any real issues. That’s the best advice right there: stick with the OS version that works until you absolutely need to upgrade (which explains why I was still on XP). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ridding-the-world-of-eeevillll-windows-10/764151.md?page=3)