# Right to Privacy on the SDMB. (Cesario) **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 30, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119 "2009-09-30T16:47:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/21 "2009-10-01T11:54:18Z")
> [@Scissorjack](#): > > Well, on one hand he’s not actually breaking any rules. But on the other hand, fuck him. There’s often outrage when we ban someone who has actual warnings for bad behavior. Now you want us to ban someone with no warnings at all? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/22 "2009-10-01T12:45:26Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > A troll only wants attention, and if you take that away the troll withers and dies. But if we ignore **cesario** , he’s going to think that what he’s saying _isn’t_ offensive. That’s only going to reinforce the sick bastard. I disagree - I think **Cesario** is well aware that society views his impulses as the height of perversion and offensiveness. I can’t condone his desires, yet I can’t advocate punishing people for their _thoughts_. He is not suggesting anyone commit pedophila, he has stated that he himself will not commit such an act though his reason for obeying the law does seem different than most peoples’, and as long as he commits no crime I can’t support banning him. I think the moderator’s should watch him a little closer than others when he’s discussing his favorite perversion because it is such a hot-button topic with serious legal issues, and I hope he participates in some topics other than just that one. You don’t fight ignorance by refusing to look at the ugly things in life. ---
**Author:** ![Blake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/23 "2009-10-01T13:04:37Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > You don’t fight ignorance by refusing to look at the ugly things in life. Which, IMO, is the crux of the matter. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/24 "2009-10-01T13:19:42Z")
> [@Scissorjack](#): > > Well, on one hand he’s not actually breaking any rules. But on the other hand, fuck him. **Scissorjack** : Personal insults are NOT permitted in this forum, no matter the provocation. Furthermore, saying “fuck off” to another poster is not allowed (not even in the Pit.) I am obliged to issue an Official Warning. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/25 "2009-10-01T13:44:26Z")
I think people are misunderstanding the point of my question. Does the SDMB have a policy about reporting someone who shows a high potential for committing a particular crime even if they have not explicitly stated that they intend to do so? It’s highly probable that **Cesario** has child porn on his computer for instance. ---
**Author:** ![NineToTheSky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5a626/32.png) [@NineToTheSky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NineToTheSky)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/26 "2009-10-01T14:49:30Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I think people are misunderstanding the point of my question. > > Does the SDMB have a policy about reporting someone who shows a high potential for committing a particular crime even if they have not explicitly stated that they intend to do so? I have seen posts here where posters have said that they would like to kill and/or severely injure someone. For example, if Cesario were to touch a poster’s daughter, they have said he or she would kill him. Cesario has said he would like to have, but hasn’t actually had sex with a child. Both are purely ‘intentions’, and both are illegal. Should they both be reported? > [@](#): > > _It’s highly probable that **Cesario** has child porn on his computer for instance._ While I agree that it is highly probable that he has child porn, if I were to say that I smoke dope, would that mean that TPTB should report me because it would be highly likely that I would have dope in my home? (FTR, I don’t and haven’t - says he hastily.) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/27 "2009-10-01T14:50:07Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I think people are misunderstanding the point of my question. > > Does the SDMB have a policy about reporting someone who shows a high potential for committing a particular crime even if they have not explicitly stated that they intend to do so? If he has not actually committed a crime then he’s not a criminal. Legally, he’s innocent no matter what is going on in his skull. “High potential” for crime is not the same as actually criminal. On what basis do you report someone with a _potential_ for crime, but who has not actually performed an illegal action? > [@](#): > > It’s highly probable that **Cesario** has child porn on his computer for instance. If you have proof of some sort that \*\*Cesario \*\*has broken the law then by all means report him. I have no doubt that the moment he breaks the rules here he will be banned - but until he actually breaks a rule he has as much right to be here as any of us whether you or I personally like him or not. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/28 "2009-10-01T15:34:05Z")
Well I am not advocating anything be done. I am asking for a clarification of board policy on these kinds of controversial speech issues. ---
**Author:** ![NineToTheSky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5a626/32.png) [@NineToTheSky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NineToTheSky)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/29 "2009-10-01T15:40:36Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Well I am not advocating anything be done. I am asking for a clarification of board policy on these kinds of controversial speech issues. I refer you to TubaDiva’s post #17: > [@](#): > > \*He’s not advocating a crime; he’s advocating for the decriminalization. That’s a fine point, to be sure, but it is a distinction that means what he says isn’t a crime. > > Molesting babies is a crime. Talking about wanting to molest babies is not.\* The minute he announces he’s molested a child, he’s toast. Though that post where he had a four year old on his lap would seem to come awfully close to grooming, which is a crime, here in the UK at least. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/30 "2009-10-01T16:39:47Z")
Goodness. A poster even clarifies his intent in the OP and people STILL pay no attention to the actual question asked. The OP is not asking what the SDMB _ **should** _ do. All answers which discuss the way in which the SDMB should be handling Cesario are not answering the question. The OP is asking the SDMB to tell him what they WILL do. He’s gotten an answer to that question: we’ve kicked it upstairs to Ed and he’ll tell us what the rule is; we’ll get back to you on it. Everything else is superfluous. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/31 "2009-10-01T16:47:17Z")
> [@NineToTheSky](#): > > The minute he announces he’s molested a child, he’s toast. Though that post where he had a four year old on his lap would seem to come awfully close to grooming, which is a crime, here in the UK at least. I am not positive, but in the US I’m pretty sure that until he’s actually convicted of something contact with children is not forbidden. I’m also pretty sure every state in this country has a slightly different law but our system is usually pretty firm on the innocent until proven guilty stance. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/32 "2009-10-01T17:26:44Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Goodness. A poster even clarifies his intent in the OP and people STILL pay no attention to the actual question asked. > > The OP is not asking what the SDMB _ **should** _ do. All answers which discuss the way in which the SDMB should be handling Cesario are not answering the question. > > The OP is asking the SDMB to tell him what they WILL do. He’s gotten an answer to that question: we’ve kicked it upstairs to Ed and he’ll tell us what the rule is; we’ll get back to you on it. > > Everything else is superfluous. Absolutely correct. Though the ‘should do’ responses are interesting. Though I think pretty much all that can be said on the ‘should’ topic HAS been said. ---
**Author:** ![NineToTheSky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5a626/32.png) [@NineToTheSky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NineToTheSky)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/33 "2009-10-01T18:55:31Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I am not positive, but in the US I’m pretty sure that until he’s actually convicted of something contact with children is not forbidden. I’m also pretty sure every state in this country has a slightly different law but our system is usually pretty firm on the innocent until proven guilty stance. Well, in the UK if you publish on the internet what you intend to do sexually with a child, and then plan a meeting with that child, that is a crime. I appreciate that that isn’t what Cesario has said or done, so my apologies: I have extrapolated incorrectly. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/34 "2009-10-01T19:21:55Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > You don’t fight ignorance by refusing to look at the ugly things in life. Exactly. And that’s the same reason I advocated long ago that we NOT kick out the two or three Stormfronters who came here to debate. Gaudere, to her credit, allowed them to debate within the rules of the forum. The result was that we, as a community, ripped apart their ideas and what they advocated (White separation). They left on their own. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/35 "2009-10-02T00:07:44Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > **Scissorjack** : Personal insults are NOT permitted in this forum, no matter the provocation. Furthermore, saying “fuck off” to another poster is not allowed (not even in the Pit.) > > I am obliged to issue an Official Warning. Since when can we NOT say fuck off? It isn’t as though it’s a direct insult. Color me flabbergasted. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/36 "2009-10-02T00:09:34Z")
nm…dbl post ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/37 "2009-10-02T00:15:56Z")
Oddly enough, Tuba outed the last poster that intimated that they wanted to have sex with someone underage, Even went so far as to post links to his REAL name and whatnot. Is that what y’all want? Leave all this bull crap behind the scenes and let them, if it needs to be done, report it to the police or whoever. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/38 "2009-10-02T00:27:14Z")
> [@Another thread about favorite horror movies](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-favorite-horror-movies/512288/4): > > Since when can we NOT say fuck off? It isn’t as though it’s a direct insult. > > Color me flabbergasted. Read the [“new” pit rules](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10894824). Using fuck in a manner where it is directed at someone has been forbidden since March (and there has been lots of complaining about it). This may be the first time anyone has gotten an actual warning for it, however. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/39 "2009-10-02T01:49:33Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > Since when can we NOT say fuck off? It isn’t as though it’s a direct insult. > > Color me flabbergasted. Xploder is right. It’s not a direct OR indirect insult. “Fuck off” is an imperative. It’s an instruction, like “Go away”. There is no insult in it, neither explicit nor implicit. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119/40 "2009-10-02T01:52:54Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Xploder is right. It’s not a direct OR indirect insult. “Fuck off” is an imperative. It’s an instruction, like “Go away”. There is no insult in it, neither explicit nor implicit. The warning was issued for saying “fuck him”, not “fuck off”. I assume Dex just make a mistake what he posted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-to-privacy-on-the-sdmb-cesario/512119.md?page=3)