# Right Wing Idiocy - Poll: Majority of Republicans don't think Obama legitimately won 2008 election. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207 "2009-11-19T22:16:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/41 "2009-11-20T03:34:32Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Are you asking as a poster, or as a moderator With which one would you give an honest answer? I called **Bricker** on a response he actually made, then _you_ popped in with a tiring(but totally expected by this time) hypothetical about how I might respond if the shoe was on the other foot. I happily give you permission to go this route _if_ it ever actually comes up, even though(as far as I know) it never has before, and you respond with _another_ weak off-topic diversionary tactic(“Do you have anything positive to say about anyone that disagrees with your political agenda?”) Why don’t you go start a new Pit thread about my hypothetical responses to hypothetical questions, o.k.? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/42 "2009-11-20T03:37:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I just finished defending Al Gore against claims that he was a liar. There are many time I’ve stood up for liberals and criticized conservatives on this board. > > How’s your record in that area, sparky? And just what the hell does this have to do with I posted? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/43 "2009-11-20T03:39:44Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I just finished defending Al Gore against claims that he was a liar. There are many time I’ve stood up for liberals and criticized conservatives on this board. > > How’s your record in that area, sparky? I think he’s probably defended Al Gore a few times too, but I can’t offer a cite. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/44 "2009-11-20T03:39:45Z")
That was what happened with Katrina as well. he was only warned generically that New Orleans would flood. He needed a name brand warning. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/45 "2009-11-20T03:40:13Z")
The Acorn lie can be profitable for conservatives: [Stop Another Stolen Election](http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com/stolenelection.html) > [@](#): > > Dear Fellow Conservative, > > As evidence surfaces, we find out that reported results from election night were far from accurate. ACORN and the unions did their best to try and sway the results to Obamacare supporter Bill Owens. > > I was forced to concede after receiving two pieces of grim news - - down 5,335 votes with 93 percent of the vote counted on election night - and barely won my stronghold in Oswego County. > Get every vote counted in NY-23On Election Night, the information we received was far different from what we received this week! > > Rest assured, they will not succeed, and I am therefore revoking my statement of concession. > > That is why I am writing you today. Recent developments leave me to wonder who is scheming behind closed doors, twisting arms and stealing elections from the voters of NY-23. > > I’m sure you are as dismayed as I am to learn of the mischief that took place in Oswego and neighboring counties. We know this would not be the first time for the ACORN faithful to tamper with democracy. > … > Doug Hoffman > > Will you please contribute today so we can show them that fair elections are the Will of the People? Thank you. If conservative leaders keep spitting it out, there’s little wonder that the faithful truly believe. It does say something about the quality of their leaders that they have to rely on lies to achieve their ends, but after eight years of Bush, most of America already knows all they need to about the quality of conservative leaders. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/46 "2009-11-20T03:42:49Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > That was what happened with Katrina as well. he was only warned generically that New Orleans would flood. He needed a name brand warning. Every President for a hundred years has been warned that New Orleans would flood, surely. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/47 "2009-11-20T03:45:43Z")
Sure, but he was the only one who had to be told it was in Louisiana! Fa-da-bump _ping!_. Thank you, thank you, try your waitress, tip the veal… ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/48 "2009-11-20T04:04:19Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > With which one would you give an honest answer? > > I called **Bricker** on a response he actually made, then _you_ popped in with a tiring(but totally expected by this time) hypothetical about how I might respond if the shoe was on the other foot. I happily give you permission to go this route _if_ it ever actually comes up, even though(as far as I know) it never has before, and you respond with _another_ weak off-topic diversionary tactic(“Do you have anything positive to say about anyone that disagrees with your political agenda?”) > > Why don’t you go start a new Pit thread about my hypothetical responses to hypothetical questions, o.k.? Why don’t you kiss my ass, you sanctimonious son of a bitch? Or cite me to a rule I’m violating? But mostly kiss my ass. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/49 "2009-11-20T04:07:05Z")
> [@sqweels](#): > > I could quiz you as to how you’re defining “conservative”, . Here’s the [4th thread I ever started here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=375864) that contains my definition in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/50 "2009-11-20T04:20:21Z")
I don’t blame Republicans for thinking that Obama stole the 2008 election. After all, he only won Florida (a state governed by Obama’s brother) by 500 votes and he LOST the overall popular vote to John McCain. If his ACORN allies on the Supreme Court had not jumped in and stopped the Florida recount, things would be a whole lot better now. For one thing, there would be a whole lot less bowing to foreign emperors. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/51 "2009-11-20T04:42:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That aint the half of it! Here’s a new wrinkle: praying to a just and loving God to smite Obama. I shit you not. > > [http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/19/pray-obama-psal/](http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/19/pray-obama-psal/) > > With pictures…cute little teddy bears with “Pray for Obama” emblazoned thereupon, “Psalms 109:8”. “Psalms?” you say “That dear little poetic addendum at the back of the Bible, what with sweet sexy love poems? And what could be wrong about praying for Obama?” > > This: > > Let his days be few; and let another take his office. > Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow. > Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places. > There’s more. You’re too nice a person to inflict it upon, unless you’re not, then fuck you, go away. > > John 11:35 That prayer is beyond evil and utterly inexcusable. What kind of people wish bad things to happen to little girls? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/52 "2009-11-20T04:50:57Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Why don’t you kiss my ass, you sanctimonious son of a bitch? > > Or cite me to a rule I’m violating? > > But mostly kiss my ass. I’m not getting my own Pit thread, am I? Damn. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/53 "2009-11-20T05:18:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’m not getting my own Pit thread, am I? > > Damn. Nah. You’d have to piss me off to get that. At this point, you’re just at the “Geeze, this guy really thinks anybody that doesn’t agree with his politics is evil” level, which confuses and disappoints me, but doesn’t make my fury burn with the heat of 1000 stars or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/54 "2009-11-20T05:21:54Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Nah. You’d have to piss me off to get that. At this point, you’re just at the “Geeze, this guy really thinks anybody that doesn’t agree with his politics is evil” level, which confuses and disappoints me, but doesn’t make my fury burn with the heat of a 1000 suns or anything. I can’t do much about the disappointment, but the confusion stems from the fact that I never said that, and don’t think that. Anything else I can help you understand? ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/55 "2009-11-20T05:35:32Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Not sure there is anyone that agrees with my political agenda in a high profile position. I’m on record here and elsewhere as saying Bush the Younger is the worst POTUS in my lifetime. Don’t know if I’ve called Sarah Palin a fuckwit here, but I’ll do it here, for the record. Rush Limbaugh is a windbag that is very good at soundbites, but not very good on substance. Glen Beck is not even on my radar, but some of the things I’ve seen attributed to him are stupid. Same with that other guy…the one with the really whiny, nasal voice…I can’t even remember his name. > > I believe an idea should stand or fall on its merits, regardless of which side of the aisle proposed it. Good on you then. Although judging an idea on its merits in defiance of the prevaling culture to me cuts close to the definition of liberalism. Sure there’s diversity on the right, but if I could redefine “dittoheads” as all the Fox News/talk radio true believers, they are legion. Folks like you are the exception, whereas among non-conservatives, the exceptions are those who do live up the conservative stereotype of someone who’s “far left”. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/56 "2009-11-20T05:37:42Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > My guess would be “likes guns”. One of those Second Amendment people who is willing to sacrifice any and all of the other principles he holds in the defense of his toys. The people who vote for Republicans who are in declared opposition to everything else that they supposedly believe in, because the Republicans support the Second Amendment better. > > Which I’m sure is why they do so; the Second Amendment has turned into a great weapon against all the other Amendments. Number one, who asked ya? And number two, bullshit. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/57 "2009-11-20T05:54:12Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > That prayer is beyond evil and utterly inexcusable. What kind of people wish bad things to happen to little girls? It’s okay; they’re little girl socialists. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/58 "2009-11-20T05:54:46Z")
> [@sqweels](#): > > Number one, who asked ya? This message board, among other things exists so people can express their opinions. > [@sqweels](#): > > And number two, bullshit. :dubious: According to you. To me, it seems obvious. When people do things like say that they’ll vote for someone like McCain who they disagree with on just about everything else because they think Obama will take their guns, then the obvious conclusion is that the Second Amendment has become primarily a tool for convincing people to surrender all other rights and interests so they can keep their guns. I consistently find that Second Amendment waving gun lovers are people who put their guns ahead of everything and everyone else. They’ll sacrifice the rest of the Constitution if it means they can sit at home clutching that chunk of alloy, and call that freedom. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/59 "2009-11-20T06:38:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I can’t do much about the disappointment, but the confusion stems from the fact that I never said that, and don’t think that. > Anything else I can help you understand? Maybe you haven’t said it, but that’s the impression I get from your posts on political and religious topics. You seem to be snarky and condescending to anyone that disagrees with you. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/60 "2009-11-20T13:07:05Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Maybe you haven’t said it, but that’s the impression I get from your posts on political and religious topics. You seem to be snarky and condescending to anyone that disagrees with you. You know, if you’re looking for a forum where the mods enforce a political agenda, I suggest you look to some of the right-wing forums. One I watch regularly is a good example- it’s run like a police state. One popular thread on there right now is: “A_re Liberals stupid, or mentally deficient? Why can’t we just have them committed?_”. Dissenters are routinely reported to the mods, and have their threads deleted- hell, there’s a whole subforum devoted just to tattling on the posters who don’t play along. Compared to that place, The 'Dope is incredibly apolitical. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207.md?page=4)