# Right Wing Idiocy - Poll: Majority of Republicans don't think Obama legitimately won 2008 election. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207 "2009-11-19T22:16:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/121 "2009-11-20T21:38:19Z")
It’s a _joke_, see: [Lafayette Co. GOP Celebrates New Billboard: It May Be Time For “WAR”](http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/lafayette-co-gop-celebrates-new-billboard-it-may-be-time-war) ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/122 "2009-11-20T22:03:39Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Voter fraud” takes place whenever voters are traduced, induced and/or seduced into voting for the wrong candidate. Or when persons who, by any reasonable measure, are not worthy of the privilege are registered to vote by way of some legal technicality, and are thereby awarded the same voting privileges properly reserved for their betters. Are you referring to Negroes? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/123 "2009-11-20T23:38:29Z")
> [@Kearsen](#): > > Psalms 109:8 > > From various Bibles: > > New International Version (©1984) > May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership. > > New American Standard Bible (©1995) > Let his days be few; Let another take his office. > > GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995) > Let his days be few [in number]. Let someone else take his position. > > King James Bible > Let his days be few; and let another take his office. > > Now who is the one being disingenuous? Picking out that one section of the prayer without acknowledging the rest of it, the O Lord Please Roast Him On A Spit part, is like saying, “my favorite part of _The Godfather_ is when Michael tells Carlo that he would never make his sister a widow.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/124 "2009-11-20T23:53:00Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Do you have anything positive to say about anyone that disagrees with your political agenda? Rush Limbaugh is a snappy dresser. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/125 "2009-11-20T23:55:17Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Really? As I’ve posted many times on this board, I’m a conservative that is pro choice, pro gay marriage, generally supportive of the ACLU, and an atheist. All conservatives are not the same. No, but there is a definite mainstream in modern American “movement conservatism.” You and other libertarian-leaning conservatives are outside of it – but, lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/126 "2009-11-21T01:13:30Z")
> [@dhkendall](#): > > Hell yeah, I support mandated cannibalism! > > 😃 Me too . . . Not right away, of course. Cannibalism represents a level of intimacy that should be saved for the third mandate. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2009, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/127 "2009-11-21T01:17:36Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > On topic: Frankly, I don’t see how this ACORN shit is any different from the Diebold shit or the Supreme Court/Butterfly Ballot shit. The difference is that the latter are real. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/128 "2009-11-21T02:54:32Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It can almost anything you want it to be, but usually in US media it’s been _Zacarias Moussaoui_. Presumably that’s what his visa said. > He could have copied it off Tenet’s Presidential Medal of Freedom citation. Which he got for leaving quietly when he was canned. ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/129 "2009-11-22T20:12:03Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > [Here you go.](http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_1119.pdf) > > For what it’s worth, Public Policy Polling does not appear to be a highly credible organization. Nearly all their clients are Carolina local officials and they are all Democrats as far as I can tell. Thanks. Well, I can’t exactly say that poll uses “tricky” language. This is doing nothing to reassure my feeling that there are a lot of idiots out there. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/130 "2009-11-22T20:17:25Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > But even stupid people don’t just randomly assume things. Especially if they contradict what they would prefer to believe. > > So my point is that in light of the fact that there has been very little if any carrying on about ACORN stealing the election for Obama - even in drooling moron RW circles, let alone in any venue that liberals are likely to encounter - it’s highly unlikely that this idea just happened to pop into the heads of that 11% of liberals who are stupid. > > [Any number of other things - crazy or otherwise - that might have been said by RWers have zero bearing on this specific point.] You forget about 800 threads started by BRICKER who has a Pavlovian reaction to ACORN. It is amazing what he has been able to convince himself of. With enough bias, anything is possible. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/131 "2009-11-22T20:36:28Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Which he got for leaving quietly when he was canned. Well, that’s a kind of freedom. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/132 "2009-11-23T14:10:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > What do you think voter fraud is? ACORN didn’t do it, but the right thinks they did. We’re not discussing whether the right thinks ACORN did voter fraud (or whether they actually did). We’re discussing whether the right thinks ACORN stole the presidential election for Barack Obama. Get this through your skull. Use a hammer or pickaxe if necessary. Stole the presidential election. Stole the presidential election. It’s possible to engage in voter fraud without stealing the presidential election. Either by engaging in voter fraud in the presidential election but not on a scale that is enough to swing the election, or by engaging in voter fraud to the point of tipping elections but in other elections that were closer (such as Hoffman’s). Actually on a bit of further reflection ISTM that this poll is even more dubious than I first thought. Because if there were 52% of the Republicans thinking that ACORN stole the 2008 presidential election, this should be manifested somewhere besides some obscure poll by an obscure pollster. There should be screaming from the rooftops about it, is RW talk radio and the like, and all the more so in sources like FR that are frequented by hardcore RWers and their LW counterparts. The fact that such avid outrage-seeking FR readers such as we have here are unable to come up with any evidence of this RW belief on that site would seem to be pretty strong evidence that it doesn’t exist. > [@Jack Batty](#): > > Picking out that one section of the prayer without acknowledging the rest of it, the O Lord Please Roast Him On A Spit part, is like saying, “my favorite part of The Godfather is when Michael tells Carlo that he would never make his sister a widow.” It’s not “picking out that one section”. The bumper stickers specifically cite that one section. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/133 "2009-11-23T14:17:20Z")
How is that not picking it out? The prayer as a whole is vicious little piece. It’s just the first few lines that aren’t murderous. Can I now cite _The Godfather_ as an uplifting movie where families stay together based on the one line? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/134 "2009-11-23T14:20:43Z")
I guess technically it is picking it out, but not in the way you suggest. But there’s nothing wrong with picking out one line out of a larger paragraph that you happen to have a cute play on words about. There is no implication that you really meant the rest of the stuff if you specifically cited that one line. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/135 "2009-11-23T14:43:52Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > We’re not discussing whether the right thinks ACORN did voter fraud (or whether they actually did). We’re discussing whether the right thinks ACORN stole the presidential election for Barack Obama. Get this through your skull. Use a hammer or pickaxe if necessary. Stole the presidential election. Stole the presidential election. The right does think ACORN stole the presidential election. Stole the presidential election. You’re not very quick on the draw are you? > [@](#): > > It’s possible to engage in voter fraud without stealing the presidential election. Either by engaging in voter fraud in the presidential election but not on a scale that is enough to swing the election, or by engaging in voter fraud to the point of tipping elections but in other elections that were closer (such as Hoffman’s). True. But the remaining soft-heads in the Republican party aren’t the sort to think that carefully about issues. The smart people left the party. > [@](#): > > Actually on a bit of further reflection ISTM that this poll is even more dubious than I first thought. Because if there were 52% of the Republicans thinking that ACORN stole the 2008 presidential election, this should be manifested somewhere besides some obscure poll by an obscure pollster. There should be screaming from the rooftops about it, is RW talk radio and the like, and all the more so in sources like FR that are frequented by hardcore RWers and their LW counterparts. The fact that such avid outrage-seeking FR readers such as we have here are unable to come up with any evidence of this RW belief on that site would seem to be pretty strong evidence that it doesn’t exist. There is plenty of outrage. You’re just ignoring it. > [@](#): > > It’s not “picking out that one section”. The bumper stickers specifically cite that one section. You are a lying douchebag. Pretending that you’re too stupid to see obvious things isn’t a great way to win debates. It’s a great way to get people to assume that you’re too stupid to see obvious things. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/136 "2009-11-23T14:56:02Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > The right does think ACORN stole the presidential election. Stole the presidential election. Yeah, we already know that you think so. That much you managed to get across at the outset. But your thoughts are not worth a whole lot. You are a nitwit. No, what actually matters is whether you have any actual evidence for this belief (other than this poll, which is what we’re discussing). And here’s where you keep presenting evidence about other matters as if it were evidence of the RW claiming that Obama stole the election. You seem to think you can demonstrate A by presenting evidence of B, if you accompany it with some personal insults. Maybe that works in your circles, I don’t know. > [@](#): > > There is plenty of outrage. You’re just ignoring it. Exactly. No doubt your continual failure to find any of this outrage is just you being cute. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/137 "2009-11-23T15:52:05Z")
[Google: ACORN Stole the Election](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=acorn+stole+the+election&aq=0&oq=acorn+stole+&aqi=g1) It’s not like this is Big-Foot. This is an easy to find phenomenon. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/138 "2009-11-23T16:10:21Z")
Obviously not, because you keep failing to find it. Just looking at the first two pages of your links, they are either references to the very poll that we are discussing or links of _other elections_ notably Hoffman’s. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/139 "2009-11-23T16:30:00Z")
I suppose the plethora of “A Majority of GOP voters think ACORN stole the 08 election for Obama” links are invisible on your monitor or something. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207/140 "2009-11-23T16:31:45Z")
And I suppose when I wrote “references to the very poll that we are discussing” that was invisible on yours. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-idiocy-poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-obama-legitimately-won-2008-election/518207.md?page=8)