# Right-wing media fearmongering taken to its logical end **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2009, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310 "2009-09-24T00:09:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/181 "2009-10-02T05:28:55Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Except, of course, that in post 161 I very clearly state that in matters of life or death I would report the problem and damn the consequences. In other words, you are lying about what I said. Not just distorting it, but outright _lying_ about it. Except, of course, in post 141, where you very clearly lied. You stated, as if it were fact, that merely reporting a violent crime would lead to fines and jail time. And yet, there’s no evidence whatsoever to indicate that’s ever happened, anywhere, anytime. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11599551&postcount=141](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11599551&postcount=141) You also lied about illegal immigrants and health care in a different thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11603061&postcount=70](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11603061&postcount=70) There’s also your lies about taxes and who pays them, but it’s late, and I can’t be arsed get the links. So no, I don’t have a vendetta against you, but please stop posting your ignorant lies. Thanks much. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/182 "2009-10-02T07:20:23Z")
Well I for one am glad we got that cleared up. **Broomstick** , you ignorant slut. You’ve lied and lied and lied again, and since I am utterly incapable of detecting any linguistic nuance, cannot discern any meaning from context, and have no choice but to take everything at its most literal, I am glad that someone has finally pointed out your nefarious wordplay. Wait, what was the topic again? ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/183 "2009-10-02T07:52:49Z")
We were talking about Carol Stream and how smart and wonderful she is. Edit to add, yeah Broomstick, Carol showed YOU what for, didn’t she? Bitch better make sure your i’s are crossed and t’s are dotted next time! Carol’s on the case! ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/184 "2009-10-02T10:06:56Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Except, of course, in post 141, where you very clearly lied. You stated, as if it were fact, that merely reporting a violent crime would lead to fines and jail time. And yet, there’s no evidence whatsoever to indicate that’s ever happened, anywhere, anytime. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11599551&postcount=141](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11599551&postcount=141) Yes, you would be subject to investigation, the possible outcome of which might include fine and/or jail. That is different than saying you will _automatically_ be fined and jailed. I’m sorry you fail to understand that punishment normally isn’t automatic in the adult world. It’s also typical of you that you mistake a clarification for a contradiction or retraction. > [@](#): > > You also lied about illegal immigrants and health care in a different thread: > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11603061&postcount=70](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11603061&postcount=70) PROVE that my statement there is wrong. You provide no supporting _evidence_ to contradict that, just your belief that illegals are stealing your pennies. > [@](#): > > There’s also your lies about taxes and who pays them, but it’s late, and I can’t be arsed get the links. Ah - so you _think_ you vaguely recall something I might have said… but you can’t find it. _Maybe because it doesn’t exist?_ > [@](#): > > So no, I don’t have a vendetta against you, but please stop posting your ignorant lies. Thanks much. But _of course_ you have a vendetta - anytime I say anything your first response is to say I’m wrong, often displaying your own ignorance on the subject. It doesn’t matter to me one bit that you have a personal dislike for me, but it would be helpful if you managed some rational discussion in the meanwhile. The irony of all this, of course, is that it’s outside the bounds of possibly that a Census worker who knocks on your door _might in fact be me!_ After all, I don’t like that far away from you… ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/185 "2009-10-02T11:44:52Z")
**Broomstick** , let Carol have her imaginary victory. She’s not worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/186 "2009-10-02T12:46:18Z")
_\>sigh\<_ I suppose you are right, although it is quite annoying to be having a conversation with some folks and have the harpy leap up screeching accusations. I console myself with the knowledge that I am not her sole target, and rational adults realize what a ridiculous human caricature she is. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/187 "2009-10-02T14:22:35Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It gets worse, sadly. John Perry of Newsmax has just called for a [military coup](http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909300012) against the President. I think Perry fell asleep while rereading “Seven Days In May.” ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2009, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/188 "2009-10-03T06:18:30Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Yes, you would be subject to investigation, the possible outcome of which might include fine and/or jail. Has it ever happened? Ever? How often? In what circumstances? > [@](#): > > PROVE that my statement there is wrong. You provide no supporting _evidence_ to contradict that, just your belief that illegals are stealing your pennies. I already did, right in that thread. Why are you being willfully ignorant? > [@](#): > > Ah - so you _think_ you vaguely recall something I might have said… but you can’t find it. _Maybe because it doesn’t exist?_ Again, with the lies. I said I wouldn’t be arsed to find it, not that I can’t find it. Lying Bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/189 "2009-10-04T21:03:32Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Lying Bitch. Ooooo. _That’s_ gotta sting. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/190 "2009-11-10T19:07:37Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > So you rouse the rabble by insinuating nefarious things about the census (ZOMG ACORN) and the next thing you know, some jackass decides to literally lynch a census worker. And yeah, yeah, I know, you’re going to say that we have no idea who did this and why…but I guarantee you that this person wasn’t watching MSNBC and listening to Air America. The last sentence of the article is typical, but laughable. > > How many times must people shoot churches or Holocaust museums or hang census workers before we start pointing the blame at the fearmongers in the right-wing media? [Oops!](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091105/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_census_worker_hanged) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/191 "2009-11-10T19:33:01Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > [Oops!](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091105/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_census_worker_hanged) Not exactly an “Oops!” yet. There’s all kinds of diversionary crap going on in all directions, whether intentional or not. I still think it’s damn hinky to even think about declaring it suicide when the man’s hands were tied together at the wrist, I don’t care how loose it was (other than completely untied). ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/192 "2009-11-10T19:57:08Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > [Oops!](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091105/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_census_worker_hanged) Well, I thought that might have wrapped it up, until I read this part: > [@](#): > > “The Kentucky State Police are continuing to investigate the death of William Sparkman and have yet to determine whether it is homicide, suicide or accidental,” Rudzinski said. “The investigation is continuing.” I submit that any investigative agency which has not yet been able to conclusively rule out accidental death in the instant case may be wholly and utterly incompetent. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/193 "2009-11-10T20:00:42Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > [Oops!](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091105/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_census_worker_hanged) I don’t buy it. The whole case for the “suicide” is that he didn’t have any defensive wounds and he wasn’t taped up very well. There are far better explanations for the lack of defensive wounds–maybe he had a gun to his head and really couldn’t fight back, for instance. (My understanding is that this was not a guy who has been in a lot of fights.) And I wouldn’t expect a bunch of stoned rednecks to perform a quality tape-up job. It’s entirely possible that the “law enforcement officials” they talked to aren’t involved in the investigation at all. This is mostly going to be handled by the state cops and the FBI, so a Manchester or Clay County deputy might very well be passing along the gossip that’s been going around town. Even if they do have the skinny, it’s just speculation, and pretty weak speculation at that. I call bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/194 "2009-11-11T01:11:03Z")
Given that this has gone to 194 posts, I thought it important to note that it may have been called in four: > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, fed… strung up… maybe it’s a suicide because he was fed up! ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/195 "2009-11-14T23:46:24Z")
[Possible insurance scam???](http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jbzG_BlkG2Hfc818EPRRn1bBlP6gD9BUOOP00) ---
**Author:** ![Bambro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df705f/32.png) [@Bambro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambro)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/196 "2009-11-24T21:09:15Z")
[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34130128/ns/us\_news-life/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34130128/ns/us_news-life/) MSNBC reports it a suicide. Best line of the article (sorry it makes me laugh): > [@](#): > > He was touching the ground, and to survive “all Mr. Sparkman had to do at any time was stand up,” she said. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/197 "2009-11-25T00:25:29Z")
Huh. I have to say I was completely wrong about this. I totally didn’t expect that. I still find it hard to believe, but with the new information out there it seems more plausible. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/198 "2009-11-25T01:00:09Z")
I hereby apologize to all the potentially violent right-wing nutcase teabaggers out there. Apparently in this case you all were actually blameless. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/199 "2009-11-25T01:09:19Z")
I’ve read all four pages. This is the fault of the right wing media… in what way? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310/200 "2009-11-25T02:02:35Z")
…Or, in other words, as a conservative can I get a second for: Blaming this unfortunate’s death on the right wing media… WTF!!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-media-fearmongering-taken-to-its-logical-end/511310.md?page=11)