# Right-Wing Panics **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 8, 2023, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760 "2023-09-08T03:19:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/41 "2023-09-09T14:21:22Z")
That’s a really useful list, thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/42 "2023-09-09T15:13:56Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, there really were Soviet spies that had infiltrated our government. Not that Tail Gunner Joe knew about any of them, but there was reality there. True but it definitely belongs here. To this day one of the most popular RW talking points, or rhetoric, is that the opposition are “Marxist commies” and that they want to implement “social Marxism”, and that it’s the biggest threat to the US…and in reality its 100% horse hooey. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/43 "2023-09-09T16:27:00Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > and in reality its 100% horse hooey. Although you must admit that Marxist commies are the worst sort of commies. As Mrs. Olson used to almost say > It’s Marxist commies: the reechest kind! ---
**Author:** ![El\_DeLuxo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_deluxo/32/9043_2.png) [@El\_DeLuxo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_DeLuxo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/44 "2023-09-09T20:05:16Z")
Tipper Gore and her husband are pretty damned rightwing as far as I can tell, and their movement to censor song lyrics was proof of it . ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/45 "2023-09-09T20:19:27Z")
> [@El\_DeLuxo](#): > > Tipper Gore and her husband are pretty damned rightwing as far as I can tell, AL GORE is right wing? On what planet? > [@El\_DeLuxo](#): > > and their movement to censor song lyrics was proof of it . Not Al, just Tipper, and all Tipper wanted was labels, not censorship. And I can go along with a voluntary label. What wrong with that? ---
**Author:** ![El\_DeLuxo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_deluxo/32/9043_2.png) [@El\_DeLuxo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_DeLuxo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/46 "2023-09-09T20:23:12Z")
What’s bad about water fluoridation campaigns is the promotion of the idea that governmental entities have the right to put extra chemicals besides those necessary for sanitation in the public’s water supply, and that citizens should be all right with that, lest they get called old fogeys, anti-communist fanatics, antiscientific, or just ignorant and foolish, by Those Who Know What’s Best For Us. It sets a precedent for governments being allowed to put other, far less savory, or less well understood, chemical additives in the public water supply unimpeded, with the support of the citizenry and dissidents being ridiculed into silence. We’ve all got to drink the stuff, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/47 "2023-09-09T20:28:10Z")
Sowth (Go hawgs) Had to edit. Misspelled hawgs ---
**Author:** ![El\_DeLuxo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_deluxo/32/9043_2.png) [@El\_DeLuxo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_DeLuxo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/48 "2023-09-09T20:44:39Z")
What’s wrong with it? Try the “voluntary labeling” bullshit as a way to economically coerce artits into limiting themselves to words and sentiments acceptable to a common denominator like–Tipper and her cohort of concerned moms of America. Repression of artists --and making them stick labels on their work which mean conservative merchandizers won’t stock them, and conservative parents will prevent their offspring from accessing the work, _ **is** _ repressive–it’s what the religious right side has always wanted the power to do. As for Al being conservative–come on, he was the governor of fucking _Tennessee_ and ran for Vice President, of _course_ he’s conservative or he’d never have been let to do those things. And he _did_ support his wife in her pro-censorship endeavors. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/49 "2023-09-09T20:59:39Z")
> [@El\_DeLuxo](#): > > As for Al being conservative–come on, he was the governor of fucking _Tennessee_ As it happens, no, he wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![El\_DeLuxo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_deluxo/32/9043_2.png) [@El\_DeLuxo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_DeLuxo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/50 "2023-09-09T21:08:40Z")
All right, he was a senator of that state. Not the governor. Still a politician in a very conservative, repressive American state, which puts the red “C” on him in my eyes. I stand corrected on that point, and that point alone, while standing by the rest of my statement. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/51 "2023-09-09T22:59:22Z")
In addition to being the son of a long-time U.S. Senator from TN, Gore was elected in an era when it was much more common for Democrats/liberals to be elected in red states. The Republicans tried to brand him as “the most librul politician evuh!”, which wasn’t true. But except for the PMRC, I can’t think of a single stance Gore held that I would consider conservative. In the 2000 election, he lost every southern state except Maryland, Florida, and TN to Bush. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/52 "2023-09-09T23:14:18Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > In the 2000 election, he lost every southern state except Maryland, Florida, and TN to Bush. I have little desire to kick off a ‘Florida 2000 Election’ debate, but I’ve noted before that, no, if Gore had just managed to carry TN, the presidency would’ve been his. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/53 "2023-09-09T23:19:53Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I have little desire to kick off a ‘Florida 2000 Election’ debate, but I’ve noted before that, no, if Gore had just managed to carry TN, the presidency would’ve been his. Neither do I, but [wiki claims that Gore carried TN 51% to 47%.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election#Results_by_state) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/54 "2023-09-09T23:35:06Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > Neither do I, but [wiki claims that Gore carried TN 51% to 47%.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election#Results_by_state) Pardon my simplicity, but your cite seems to claim the exact _reverse._ ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/55 "2023-09-09T23:39:35Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Pardon my simplicity, but your cite seems to claim the exact _reverse_ That’s what I’m reading there, too. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/56 "2023-09-10T01:29:54Z")
You are both correct. My apologies. Wiki has conflicting info. Under “Results”, they claim, **“With the exceptions of Florida, Maryland, and Gore’s home state of Tennessee, Bush carried the Southern states.”** But the red/blue graph further down shows Bush carrying Tennessee. I think that’s right. Long day… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/57 "2023-09-10T01:44:45Z")
I think the trick is that it says: **“With the exceptions of Florida, Maryland, and Gore’s home state of Tennessee, Bush carried the Southern states by comfortable margins”** — which doesn’t mean Bush didn’t carry Tennessee; it just means he didn’t carry Tennessee _by a comfortable margin._ ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/58 "2023-09-10T01:50:24Z")
> [@El\_DeLuxo](#): > > Try the “voluntary labeling” bullshit as a way to economically coerce artits into limiting themselves to words and sentiments acceptable to a common denominator like Bah. Sales went UP due to the labels. True, some places like Walmart stopped carrying a few, but once they became 'forbidden fruit" teens flocked to buy them. > [@El\_DeLuxo](#): > > As for Al being conservative–come on, he was the governor of fucking _Tennessee_ and ran for Vice President, of _course_ he’s conservative or he’d never have been let to do those things. No, he wasnt. And there have been quite a few liberal Veeps. Kamala Harris is one. Walter Mondale. Al Gore was a noted liberal. ---
**Author:** ![El\_DeLuxo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_deluxo/32/9043_2.png) [@El\_DeLuxo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_DeLuxo)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/59 "2023-09-10T02:42:56Z")
Then why did he back his wife’s crusade to punish musicians for not being as clean- and closed-minded as she? Anyone who runs for an office like the VPUSA is pretty conservative in my book, “liberal” or not. Liberals buy into the same tired old deadly system of parties and politics, restriction and repression, and uphold said system with the putative desire to “reform” it while maintaining the status quo that supports them. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760/60 "2023-09-10T03:05:05Z")
> [@El\_DeLuxo](#): > > Then why did he back his wife’s crusade to punish musicians for not being as clean- and closed-minded as she? > > Anyone who runs for an office like the VPUSA is pretty conservative in my book, The voluntary labeling did not punish musicians, in fact sales increased as i said before. Then your “book” goes against all political wisdom, and facts, so is totally wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wing-panics/989760.md?page=4)