# Right wingers - what are your most left views, Left wingers your most right view? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 16, 2021, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414 "2021-06-16T18:37:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/61 "2021-06-18T18:58:00Z")
Moderate LOC by US standards, believer in UHC and UBI, all for choice and love is love. Yet… > [@MrDibble](#): > > Guns, I guess. I think they should have similar licencing and training requirements to driving, but other than that, should be issued at will. Same here. Sure, set some standard of safe use, but if you can meet the standard, have the permit be on a “shall issue” basis. As for the firearms themselves, stop it with the fretting about magazines, grips, braces, etc… y’all are just publicizing it all. Sure, regulate that civs can’t own AA pieces or tac nukes, but if the guy next door wants a standard AR15, let him have it. > [@](#): > > I don’t think this is a RW thing anywhere but the US. Hell, in a lot of places, having some form of ID is _compulsory_ overall, never mind just to vote with. And hardly anyone thinks it’s wrong. Heck, the thing is, in the US it is a RW thing to want voter ID, _but_ it is _also_ a RW thing (and a lot of LW, too) to NOT want any standard centrally issued compulsory ID. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > To the extent that opposing nuclear power is a liberal position, I take the opposite view. Properly regulated, nuclear power is quite earth-friendly. Yeah, never really got why No-Nukes is supposed to be a per se “leftist” POV. > [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > Acknowledging that some kids are smarter than others, and the corollary that some kids are dumber than others, is not bigotry. There is nothing wrong with having tracked English and math classes, as long as one can move between tracks as performance dictates. No more of this one-size-fits-all you-can-do-it-if-you-try-hard-enough crap. Some kids are just dumb, and not everybody is college material. Trade school is perfectly respectable and needed. BUT, to clarify on that last bit: Trade school is perfectly respectable and needed **and** a legitimate choice **for the “smarter” kids as well** if that’s their choice. The phrasing made it sound as what there is for those too dumb to make college, and that may not have been your intention. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/62 "2021-06-18T21:52:06Z")
The popular Canadian parties tend to be moderate. No one said they were indistinguishable. The differences between parties in the States and many other countries is bigger and sometimes much bigger. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/63 "2021-06-18T22:42:14Z")
I consider myself moderate left. back when W was president I think people with my views were far left but in the last couple decades the Overton window has moved and now I’m more of a moderate leftist. I support an armed population because I think Christian fascists are a major threat. I don’t want the left to disarm while the Christian Fascist own all the guns and ammo. that’s a terrible idea. black people who owned guns during jim crow helped provide security to voting rights activists as they should. that’s what gun rights are truly about, for leftists and oppressed groups to stand up against fascists and bigots. I support gun control that is proven by science to work and I don’t think things like magazine bans or semi auto rifle bans work. at least not according to the study I saw. school choice is good if it includes public school choice. I think left wing economic policy is good but it does make it harder for business to run and survive. so efforts to keep business afloat need to be done when implementing leftist economic policy. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/64 "2021-06-19T03:22:08Z")
Left winger here. There are several issues on which I’m to the right of the hardcore millennial progressives, but generally moderate. But I’m probably out of the progressive mainstream in two ways: - I am opposed to state legalization of drugs, including marijuana. They should be decriminalized, yes, but regulated at the federal level. - I want the US to have a strong military; I just think we should be more judicious about how we use it. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/65 "2021-06-19T09:10:08Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > The phrasing made it sound as what there is for those too dumb to make college, and that may not have been your intention. Yes, thank you. On rereading, my phrasing could come across as elitist, as I clumsily lumped two distinct rants into one sentence. One, tracked classes are not a sign of bigotry. Two, society should stop acting like college admissions are the only valid measure of a high school. There’s a local private school that was advertising 251 out of 252 seniors were admitted to college last year (the other was accepted to college but chose to join the military). College isn’t for everyone - one of my high school friends was extremely smart and dropped out sophomore year because it just wasn’t what he wanted to do. His grades to that point were excellent, but he wanted something else. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/66 "2021-06-19T15:46:08Z")
So, one of the most common here was on nuclear power, with, by my count a dozen in favor of it. I don’t think it belongs in this thread, but does anyone think that it’s a good time to open a new nuclear power debate thread? ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/67 "2021-06-19T15:59:33Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I don’t think it belongs in this thread, but does anyone think that it’s a good time to open a new nuclear power debate thread? Perfectly good time, but I don’t think you’re going to get much of a “debate” here. Seems like the board is overwhelmingly in favor. You might get a debate about different kinds of nuclear power plants, and various technical issues that most of us wouldn’t be able to understand anyway. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/68 "2021-06-19T16:15:54Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Yeah, never really got why No-Nukes is supposed to be a per se “leftist” POV. Living in a ~~red~~ purple state and I have to say that I also do support nuclear power. In previous discussions I found and posted about how in reality nuclear power is more of a NIMBY thing. It was usual to find a good number of left leaning people against nuclear power, but in the polls I found the numbers were in the 70% territory of people being against new nuclear power plants or dumps. Leading to the conclusion that there is a big mess of right wingers that oppose nuclear power too, this is because in other polls about political leanings left wingers are usually around 35% to 40% of the US population (if you follow the definitions Gallup uses, the numbers are reversed and conservatives are a bit more than 40% of the US population). Unless right wingers become magically liberals regarding nuclear power, I have to say that it is mostly NIMBY what we have here. ---
**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/69 "2021-06-23T01:21:56Z")
I’m right wing/conservative. Part of the evangelical conservative mindset, at least up until a few years ago when most of the folks I would identify with sold their souls to a cult of personality that, in my opinion, is not conservative at all in the traditional sense of the word. But I digress. My anomalous position is that I’m in favor of pretty much an open border. Not only would I let just about anyone in that wanted to be in, I’d give them a $3,000 grubstake to get settled. Some basic vetting to screen for criminal/gang ties but if you pass that–welcome to the U.S. In my observation immigrants are extremely hardworking and family oriented, and many are Christian. And with that, a path to citizenship. My idea does have several important caveats about behaviors and expectations once an immigrant person passes his/her initial settling in, but that’s a debate for another day. Suffice it to say that my pro-immigrant position is completely at odds with most Republicans. And, I guess most Democrats as well. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/70 "2021-06-23T11:21:18Z")
If our birth rates continue to fall, creating incentives for new immigrants won’t seem like a radical idea at all. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/71 "2021-06-23T12:02:42Z")
I have long considered myself a bleeding-hear liberal. I am just about to become an animal rights" person. That said, I am pro-life. After living through the bloodbath of the last century I question we can trust ourselves with the power of life and death. I am not too concerned about immigration. That said, I understand a lot of people are and I think their opinions matter too. It is not unreasonable to enforce the laws we pass. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/72 "2021-06-23T14:13:48Z")
> [@divemaster](#): > > … I’m in favor of pretty much an open border. Not only would I let just about anyone in that wanted to be in, I’d give them a $3,000 grubstake to get settled. I seem to recall this idea (or something very similar) being advocated by _Forbes_ in the 80s and 90s. IIRC, it was simple supply-and-demand economics – open immigration would increase the labor supply and therefore keep labor costs low, with the follow-on effect of reducing the incentive for companies to relocate outside the US. Funny how the party of free enterprise has done a 180 on this pure free enterprise idea. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/73 "2021-06-23T16:47:01Z")
I’m a strong classical liberal. But I think the “pro choice” side of the abortion debate is misnamed to suggest that people on the other side are generally against choice per se. (Their use of “pro life” has a similar problem.) I think accurate names would be “for less restrictive laws about abortion” and “for more restrictive laws about abortion”. I think large tax cuts favoring the wealthy are not giving money to them. They’re taking less money from them. This misphrasing makes a burden (though a reduced one) sound like a gift. I think the second amendment does give us pretty sweeping rights to own guns. We should get rid of it, but until we do, lots of lower level decisions would logically reflect that, which is a shame that costs lives. I think a lot of corporations, and people within them, mean well. They’re not necessarily evil and overall most probably aren’t evil. Though there is plenty of evil in the system too. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/74 "2021-06-23T17:07:26Z")
> [@Krispy\_Original](#): > > - We have a right to own guns. (We do need some controls and reforms though) > - Defund the Police is over the top. Yes changes are needed but defund? Come on man. > - We need a strong military (but let’s be smarter and more accountable on how we spend those $) > - Some kind of identification is a reasonable thing to ask for in order to vote. ( but F restricting food, water, F closing earlier, F reducing # polling places, etc., etc., etc) Yes, but with some reasonable controls that actually reduce violent crime. Although many have said that is not what DtP means, it is a terrible slogan that the GOP can wield like a whip. Divest & reinvest is what the ACLU says. Yes. No, no voter ID. Voter ID is simply a tool for voter suppression, Jim Crow laws. It is not needed, there is no significant voter fraud. I understand about Abortion, I do not like it. However, the Woman has to have the Right to choose. Other than late term abortions, and no Federal funding, I think no other limits should be placed on that Right to Choose. I am Pro Nuclear Power, in fact pro most power sources that do not generate greenhouse gasses. > [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Lefty here. I want to get rid of birthright citizenship. This is a frontier country concept, and we’re not a frontier country anymore. What would you replace it with? > [@Treppenwitz](#): > > One of the founding principles of the NHS is that it should be free at the point of delivery. With certain exemptions\* I think this should end. A fee should be payable for all NHS services - exams, treatments, operations, everything. It doesn’t have to be at all a big fee, but it has to be… noticeable. Yes, I concur. A small co-pay is fine. Maybe $20? It can be waived. > [@Boycott](#): > > At the moment there seems to be a real clamour on the left about cancelling all student debt but I’m not so sure about such a blanket move. Make it easier to file bankruptcy, eliminate the interest, even if cancelling is targeted for certain individuals who meet a certain criteria (say health issue which affected employability) I would probably get behind but the idea that someone who went to Harvard and has their loans covered by the public purse is not right for me. Yes. Congress screwed up when the ended bankruptcy protections for student loans. Canceling is not necessary. Let a judge decide. OK, sure, there could be a rule that you have to wait five years or something before filing. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The problem is US culture. We love guns and worship violence, especially gun violence. I don’t know how to change that, but until that changes I think we’re stuck with lots and lots of gun violence. We could start by asking the media not to name the shooters. Some other nations do this, some media companies do this. It worked for rape victims. On Broadcast media the FTC could enforce it. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/75 "2021-06-23T18:19:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > What would you replace it with? If you are born to a citizen, you’re a citizen. If you’re naturalized as a citizen, you’re a citizen, and your kids can become citizens. If your mom is a citizen from some other country and just happens to give birth while she’s present in this country, you’re a citizen of that other country. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/76 "2021-06-23T18:24:08Z")
As for that last, many nations would not grant citizenship on that leaving those kids stateless. Why would not permanent residents give birth to citizens? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/77 "2021-06-23T18:39:06Z")
Jus soli is pretty much the norm in the Western hemisphere and pretty much the exception in the Eastern. I’d say it’s far from a frontier country concept. [Map of jus soli nations here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#/media/File:Jus_soli_world.svg) You may not like it in principle but barring a repeal or rewriting of the 14th amendment, that’s how it is. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/78 "2021-06-24T05:52:11Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > We could start by asking the media not to name the shooters. Some other nations do this, some media companies do this. It worked for rape victims. On Broadcast media the FTC could enforce it. We could ask, that’s true. But I doubt the FCC could compel that. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/79 "2021-06-24T12:47:42Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Why would not permanent residents give birth to citizens? I could work with that. It’s more the visitor, temporary worker, illegal immigrant giving birth then becoming the parent of a Citizen that I think has become unnecessary/problematic, and isn’t replicated in numerous civilized nations. We would not be trailblazers on this topic, not that it’s going to happen, of course. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414/80 "2021-06-24T14:11:35Z")
We have universal healthcare in Canada, but if you don’t show for your appointment you definitely get charged. It just makes sense. The $20 fee per use sounds not prohibitive, but it would have to be means tested. A struggling single Mom with three kids sick, possibly requiring numerous visits would definitely be prohibitive, I think. If you had a chronically ill child it would put you in the poor house, and that seems a poor side effect to me. Such fees, for this reason, are specifically prohibited, in my province anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/right-wingers-what-are-your-most-left-views-left-wingers-your-most-right-view/944414.md?page=5)