# Riots in Ohio **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 16, 2005, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417 "2005-10-16T00:46:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2005, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/41 "2005-10-17T16:53:48Z")
Remember recently when we all thought the Neo-Nazis had killed the family of that judge? Same thing here. We hear the word ‘Nazi’ and get all these preconceptions. ---
**Author:** ![jimpatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@jimpatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimpatro)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2005, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/42 "2005-10-17T17:45:01Z")
Are you trying to say not all Nazis are bad? :rolleyes: My pre-conception hearing the word “Nazi” is “evil motherfuckers”. The only good Nazi… ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2005, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/43 "2005-10-17T20:22:59Z")
So… what’s a fair and reasonable headline to describe these events? I know! “White Supremacists Riot in Toledo, Ohio” “Mayor of Toledo, Ohio, Declares Emergency, Sets Curfew After Hundreds of White Supremacists Riot” [http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1220242&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1220242&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312) Ummm… WHO was rioting again? ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2005, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/44 "2005-10-17T21:52:07Z")
_Posted by Stephe96:_ > [@](#): > > At least they weren’t Illinois Nazis. I hate Illinois Nazis. Stephe, not only did you beat me to it (just watched _The Blues Brothers_ the other day), but you have partially redeemed yourself in my eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/45 "2005-10-18T00:21:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So… what’s a fair and reasonable headline to describe these events? > > I know! > > “White Supremacists Riot in Toledo, Ohio” > > “Mayor of Toledo, Ohio, Declares Emergency, Sets Curfew After Hundreds of White Supremacists Riot” > > [http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1220242&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1220242&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312) > > Ummm… WHO was rioting again? What the hell is up with the ABC News headline writers? The story itself quotes the Police Chief as stating that the white supremacists left the area hours before the riot. But the White Supremacists were rioting? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/46 "2005-10-18T01:31:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So… what’s a fair and reasonable headline to describe these events? > > I know! > > “White Supremacists Riot in Toledo, Ohio” > > “Mayor of Toledo, Ohio, Declares Emergency, Sets Curfew After Hundreds of White Supremacists Riot” > > [http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1220242&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1220242&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312) > > Ummm… WHO was rioting again? What, you want ABC to headline this “Black Gangs Riot in Toledo, Ohio?” That would be so wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/47 "2005-10-18T02:30:08Z")
> [@Random](#): > > That would be so wrong. Actually, the market for black-rioting headlines has been briefly exhausted in light of New Orleans. By the spring, it’ll be back to normal. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/48 "2005-10-18T03:22:10Z")
Facts are facts, these miserable pieces of shit throwing rocks and bottles at ambulances and police cars, are, as **Nurse Carmen** pointed out, causing the “nazi” dickheads to have proven a sad point. I think that violent rioters who exhibit the type of behaviour shown by the shitheads in Toledo, (i.e. stone ambulances and burn stores and homes “just because”) should be summarily killed right on the street. People get to a point when they’re no better than animals (although animals have no malicious intent) when it reaches that point, let the bodies hit the floor. The last damn thing this country needs is for someone to come away from a ‘nazi’ rally thinking “wow, they have a point”. Fuck 'em all. IMHO, I think rioting has fuck-all to do with race, and everything to do with culture. The black hip-hop “culture” has been bastardized and glamorized by the rich white assholes, that are making assloads of money on the back of some dimwitted shithead thug with gold fronts and a semi-auto handgun. These douchebags have taken some of the most revolutionary music ever created, and turned it into anthems for violence, murder, pimping, drug dealing and rampant, anonymous sex, that have instilled into undereducated minds the idea that; Violence against authority in any situation is justified. That it’s easier to change the world by picking up a gun, than a book. That success on someone else’s terms is ‘selling out’ and that cooperating with ‘the man’ makes you an Uncle Tom. That you’re somehow owed a living because of the circumstances of your birth. It’s bullshit now, and it’s always been bullshit. These “people” have no place in polite society, more’s the pity I’ve no control over that. Thier behaviour is in no way excusable, no matter what reason you float out there, either you know right from wrong or you don’t, and if you don’t, then you have no business mixing with the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/49 "2005-10-18T03:23:19Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > What the hell is up with the ABC News headline writers? The story itself quotes the Police Chief as stating that the white supremacists left the area hours before the riot. But the White Supremacists were rioting? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? You hit the nail on the head. WTF is up with the **HEADLINE WRITERS**? The story to which you linked was written on the 16th of the month, the day the riot occurred, perhaps just as it was occuring and when all the info wasn’t in. Blast ABC for this one. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/50 "2005-10-18T03:37:00Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > I think that violent rioters who exhibit the type of behaviour shown by the shitheads in Toledo, (i.e. stone ambulances and burn stores and homes “just because”) should be summarily killed right on the street. \*Spoken like a true blue Nazi. \* > [@](#): > > Violence against authority in any situation is justified. _nope, just in some situations._ > [@](#): > > That it’s easier to change the world by picking up a gun, than a book. _Sometimes it is._ > [@](#): > > It’s bullshit now, and it’s always been bullshit. These “people” have no place in polite society, more’s the pity I’ve no control over that. Thier behaviour is in no way excusable, no matter what reason you float out there, either you know right from wrong or you don’t, and if you don’t, then you have no business mixing with the rest of us. Hey! Were you in the crowd of Nazis that didn’t get to march? I was looking for your picture, but missed you. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/51 "2005-10-18T03:43:09Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > I think that violent rioters who exhibit the type of behaviour shown by the shitheads in Toledo, (i.e. stone ambulances and burn stores and homes “just because”) should be summarily killed right on the street. I seem to remember that you work in law enforcement. Is that correct? If so, you are a disgrace to the badge and the uniform. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/52 "2005-10-18T04:00:28Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > \*Spoken like a true blue Nazi. \* **Fuck you. You ever been trapped unarmed in an emergency vehicle that was being shot at and pelted by anything heavy that violent miscreants can pick up and throw? No? I have. Fuck you.** > [@samclem](#): > > _nope, just in some situations._ **Yep, and this was NOT one of those situations. March 7, 1965 for example, would have been a great time for violent resistance. Not at a neo-skinhead rally in Toledo, nope. Not good enough.** _Sometimes it is._ **See previous** Hey! Were you in the crowd of Nazis that didn’t get to march? I was looking for your picture, but missed you. ☹ [/QUOTE] **And again, Fuck You** ---
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/53 "2005-10-18T04:22:12Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I seem to remember that you work in law enforcement. Is that correct? > > If so, you are a disgrace to the badge and the uniform. I disagree. Sometimes the best thing the police can do in a riot is to get out the shotguns and start shooting looters, arsonists, snipers and other violent felons. That’s a lot better then having them stand around with their thumb up their ass while the neighborhood is looted and burned, because the mayor and chief are too chickenshit to offend the lunatic fringe of the community. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/54 "2005-10-18T04:25:00Z")
> [@mks57](#): > > I disagree. Sometimes the best thing the police can do in a riot is to get out the shotguns and start shooting looters, arsonists, snipers and other violent felons. That’s a lot better then having them stand around with their thumb up their ass while the neighborhood is looted and burned, because the mayor and chief are too chickenshit to offend the lunatic fringe of the community. Yeah, that’s right moron. Because there’s no middle ground between “stand[ing] around with their thumb up their ass” and “shooting.” You’re a fucking dribbling idiot… ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/55 "2005-10-18T04:29:17Z")
> [@mks57](#): > > I disagree. Sometimes the best thing the police can do in a riot is to get out the shotguns and start shooting looters, arsonists, snipers and other violent felons. That’s a lot better then having them stand around with their thumb up their ass while the neighborhood is looted and burned, because the mayor and chief are too chickenshit to offend the lunatic fringe of the community. Can you give me a cite where police shoot looters? In the US? ---
**Author:** ![Good\_Egg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/96bed5/32.png) [@Good\_Egg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Good_Egg)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/56 "2005-10-18T04:46:21Z")
Just wait til Mayor Daley heard about this. ---
**Author:** ![Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/regallag_the_axe/32/445_2.png) [@Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Regallag_The_Axe)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/57 "2005-10-18T05:19:26Z")
> [@Campion](#): > > By the way, am I the only one who wants to snicker at the concept of someone calling himself a “Nazi” in this day and age? They’re not Nazis. They’re just racists. In fact I strongly suspect that if they were to find themselves in Nazi Germany, about half of them would be considered “racially inferior.” Not only are they dipshits, they’re dipshit who don’t even know s god damn thing about what they think they are. ---
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/58 "2005-10-18T05:19:39Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > Can you give me a cite where police shoot looters? In the US? Watts, CA (1965) Newark, NJ (1967) Detroit, MI (1967) ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/59 "2005-10-18T06:06:35Z")
Why is is that any thread having something to do with black people or black issues inspires people to abandon all critical thinking skills? > [@NurseCarmen](#): > > The Nazi’s wanted to march to protest black crime. Then riots broke out, resulting in black crime. It’s a sad sad irony. The black fucknuggets managed to make the racist fucknuggets look like they had a valid point. Nice job, dipshits. No, any rational person realizes that the events that occurred don’t validate any point the Nazi’s were trying to make. I hope that you aren’t that retarded. Their point, as someone else already pointed out, is that minorities are inferior. Nothing they did in Toledo has, or will prove that point. [Here](http://www.nsm88.com/25points/25pointsengl.html) is their website which includes the following statements in their 25 points: > [@](#): > > Only members of the nation may be citizens of the state. **Only those of pure White blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation**. Non-citizens may live in America only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens. Accordingly, no Jew or homosexual may be a member of the nation. > [@](#): > > All non-White immigration must be prevented. **We demand that all non-Whites currently residing in America be required to leave the nation forthwith and return to their land of origin: peacefully or by force**. > [@](#): > > By prohibiting abortion and euthanasia, except in cases of rape, incest, **race-mixing, or mental retardation** Those are just a few of the despicable things they advocate. Saying that they’ve validated any of these beliefs by inciting a riot shows an appalling lack of common sense and decency. > [@Campion](#): > > And, of course, the requisite sound bite from random citizens: “Well, the city shouldn’t have let the Nazis come here to march.” Riiight. Permit me to introduce you to a little concept we sometimes refer to as the First Amendment. I know, pesky little thing, always rearing its ugly head at the most inconvenient times. Another shocking misinterpretation of the first amendment. As [this](http://www.freewarehof.org/speech.html) cite explains, the first amendment does not confer an absolute right to freedom of speech (or protest), but limits the power of the legislative branch of government to control speech. Judges impose gag orders, and laws regarding defacement, copy-write, etc. are overarching. Or in this case, the right to protest can be abridged when the protests may incite a riot, or can be classified as reckless endangerment. I believe both were foreseeable in this case, and the Nazis should not have been allowed to march. At some point, the public interest has to be taken into consideration. Allowing a few dozens idiots to march is not worth risking the safety of thousands of people. Please try to understand the first amendment before claiming someone else is misinterpreting it. > [@buttonjockey308](#): > > Facts are facts, these miserable pieces of shit throwing rocks and bottles at ambulances and police cars, are, as **Nurse Carmen** pointed out, causing the “nazi” dickheads to have proven a sad point. More idiocy. > [@buttonjockey308](#): > > I think that violent rioters who exhibit the type of behaviour shown by the shitheads in Toledo, (i.e. stone ambulances and burn stores and homes “just because”) should be summarily killed right on the street. People get to a point when they’re no better than animals (although animals have no malicious intent) when it reaches that point, let the bodies hit the floor. The last damn thing this country needs is for someone to come away from a ‘nazi’ rally thinking “wow, they have a point”. Fuck 'em all. Yes, because killing rioters is the only option. You’ve really shown a complete lack of decency by writing something like this. > [@buttonjockey308](#): > > IMHO, I think rioting has fuck-all to do with race, and everything to do with culture. The black hip-hop “culture” has been bastardized and glamorized by the rich white assholes, that are making assloads of money on the back of some dimwitted shithead thug with gold fronts and a semi-auto handgun. These douchebags have taken some of the most revolutionary music ever created, and turned it into anthems for violence, murder, pimping, drug dealing and rampant, anonymous sex, that have instilled into undereducated minds the idea that; The sad part is that you probably don’t think you are a racist. > [@buttonjockey308](#): > > It’s bullshit now, and it’s always been bullshit. These “people” have no place in polite society, more’s the pity I’ve no control over that. Thier behaviour is in no way excusable, no matter what reason you float out there, either you know right from wrong or you don’t, and if you don’t, then you have no business mixing with the rest of us. It’s probably not worth trying to reason with you, so I will let your statement speak for itself. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417/60 "2005-10-18T06:53:23Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > Another shocking misinterpretation of the first amendment. As [this](http://www.freewarehof.org/speech.html) cite explains, the first amendment does not confer an absolute right to freedom of speech (or protest), but limits the power of the legislative branch of government to control speech. Judges impose gag orders, and laws regarding defacement, copy-write, etc. are overarching. Or in this case, the right to protest can be abridged when the protests may incite a riot, or can be classified as reckless endangerment. I believe both were foreseeable in this case, and the Nazis should not have been allowed to march. At some point, the public interest has to be taken into consideration. Allowing a few dozens idiots to march is not worth risking the safety of thousands of people. Please try to understand the first amendment before claiming someone else is misinterpreting it. Was _National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie_ decided incorrectly by the Supreme Court? If not, what distinguishes that case from this one? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/riots-in-ohio/326417.md?page=4)