# RIP Net Neutrality, 1969-2018 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 11, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893 "2018-06-11T16:40:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/21 "2018-06-13T08:04:28Z")
Something bad will happen to consumers, though how it will manifest is hard to say. After all, why implement it if there was no benefit (i.e. profit) to be had? ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/22 "2018-06-13T11:12:59Z")
> [@zimaane](#): > > In the U.S. at least, net neutrality began in 2015. I recall the internet working pretty well prior to that time. Untrue. Net neutrality was a principle enforced by the FCC since the 1990s at least. In 2015, a judge ruled they legal basis for that was incorrect, but it could be enforced under another section of the law. The FCC changed the rule to comply. It is a lie that it didn’t exist before 2015, a bit of propaganda the ISP apologists trot out to pretend it’s not needed. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/23 "2018-06-13T14:04:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Would you care to put a time frame on those? If we hit 2020 and none are evident, will you claim you’re waiting for the inevitable still? > > See, that was the “falsifiable” aspect. I’m not the typical “If it eventually happens no matter how long it takes, I was right!” type of person. I don’t need to be “right” on a message board in order to feel good about myself. I’ll go with June 2020 if that’s cool with you. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/24 "2018-06-13T15:00:36Z")
Why does something bad have to happen quickly for it to be valid? I don’t think the effects will be felt immediately. Right now, most everyone is aware of net neutrality, and any ISP that steps over the line will get smacked hard. Erosion of neutral internet will be slow. It will most certainly start with ‘free’ stuff. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/25 "2018-06-18T10:00:50Z")
Net Neutrality rules began in 2015 not 1969. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/26 "2018-06-18T11:09:24Z")
You folks will just have to use sites based outside the US where net neutrality remains intact. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/27 "2018-06-18T11:36:09Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > You folks will just have to use sites based outside the US where net neutrality remains intact. That’s not the problem. The problem is with the ISPs, not the sites. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/28 "2018-06-18T13:08:17Z")
If cable companies slow down my service, can I slow down my payment? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/29 "2018-06-28T15:49:48Z")
And here’s the first one: [AT&T’s Time Warner deal and net neutrality’s end gave us WatchTV](https://www.fastcompany.com/40588895/atts-time-warner-deal-and-net-neutralitys-end-gave-us-watchtv) Big surprise, AT&T owned content streaming will not apply to data caps of AT&T wireless service. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/30 "2018-07-13T03:21:31Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > And here’s the first one: > > [AT&T’s Time Warner deal and net neutrality’s end gave us WatchTV](https://www.fastcompany.com/40588895/atts-time-warner-deal-and-net-neutralitys-end-gave-us-watchtv) > > Big surprise, AT&T owned content streaming will not apply to data caps of AT&T wireless service. I’m having a little trouble finding where you predicted this outcome, although it sounds familiar. Can you remind me? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/31 "2018-07-13T12:36:16Z")
Posts #13 and #23 are the setups. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/32 "2018-07-13T16:23:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Would anyone who believes this is a bad development care to offer a specific, falsifiable prediction for a negative consequence that occurs as a result? > > Anyone? > > And will you acknowledge error if your prediction fails to materialize? You go first. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/33 "2018-07-13T16:27:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’m having a little trouble finding where you predicted this outcome, although it sounds familiar. Can you remind me? I predicted it in Post 9 (Item 3). ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/34 "2018-07-13T16:35:54Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > I predicted it in Post 9 (Item 3). Wow. Good call. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/35 "2018-07-13T16:36:42Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > I predicted it in Post 9 (Item 3). Yes, so you did. Nice job! ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/36 "2018-07-14T22:24:40Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > I predicted it in Post 9 (Item 3). You absolutely did. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/37 "2018-07-14T22:26:41Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Posts #13 and #23 are the setups. I see where Gorsnak predicted this outcome. I’m having trouble finding where YOU did. Unless the two posts were an endorsement of his predictions. But so far as I can tell, you only referred vaguely to prior predictions, which would allow you to claim victory if any of them materialized. That can’t be correct, though, so I am obviously missing something. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893/38 "2018-07-14T22:50:30Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I see where Gorsnak predicted this outcome. I’m having trouble finding where YOU did. > > Unless the two posts were an endorsement of his predictions. But so far as I can tell, you only referred vaguely to prior predictions, which would allow you to claim victory if any of them materialized. That can’t be correct, though, so I am obviously missing something. Well, mine was more of “Some ISP will take advantage of non-NN, and I predict it would happen by June of 2020” However, nothing specific, you are correct. But I defer to others who DID predict it, and good on him! And yes, I would claim victory if any of them happened. Sue me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-net-neutrality-1969-2018/815893.md?page=1)