# RIP South African Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 26, 2021, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664 "2021-12-26T10:34:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2021, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/1 "2021-12-26T10:34:22Z")
> **[OBITUARY | SA has lost its conscience and North Star Archbishop Desmond Tutu](https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2021-12-26-obituary-sa-has-lost-its-conscience-and-north-star-archbishop-desmond-tutu/)** > > The world has lost an international crusader for peace and reconciliation, but for SA it is much more than that. The country has lost its conscience and the North Star that had guided the nation since the 1980s. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2021, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/2 "2021-12-26T10:55:47Z")
Oh. I liked him. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2021, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/3 "2021-12-26T10:57:25Z")
> **[Anti-apartheid hero Archbishop Desmond Tutu dies aged 90](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/26/archbishop-desmond-tutu-giant-in-fight-against-apartheid-south-africa-dies-at-90)** > > The Nobel laureate, often described as South Africa’s moral conscience, died in Cape Town on Boxing Day   Some quotes from Desmond Tutu: > If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Forgiveness: > Without forgiveness there can be no future for a relationship between individuals or within and between nations. > Forgiving is not forgetting; its actually remembering – remembering and not using your right to hit back. It’s a second chance for a new beginning. And the remembering part is particularly important. Especially if you don’t want to repeat what happened. > There are different kinds of justice. Retributive justice is largely Western. The African understanding is far more restorative - not so much to punish as to redress or restore a balance that has been knocked askew. Sexuality: > I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this. I would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven. No, I would say sorry, I mean I would much rather go to the other place. I am as passionate about this campaign as I ever was about apartheid. For me, it is at the same level. Climate change: > “Climate change is one of the greatest moral challenges of our time … we need bold action like this to keep global temperature rise below the unacceptably dangerous tipping point of two degrees, to phase out carbon pollution to zero, and to invest resources in sustainable development pathways to build a more flourishing, inclusive and balanced world.” The human family: > We are made for goodness. We are made for love. We are made for friendliness. We are made for togetherness. We are made for all of the beautiful things that you and I know. We are made to tell the world that there are no outsiders. All are welcome: black, white, red, yellow, rich, poor, educated, not educated, male, female, gay, straight, all, all, all. We all belong to this family, this human family, God’s family. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2021, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/4 "2021-12-26T13:02:37Z")
Arch was a class act. And that laugh… The living personification of _Ubuntu_. _Hamba kakuhle_. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/5 "2021-12-26T14:19:02Z")
I appreciate reading those quotes thank you! > [@MrDibble](#): > > The living personification of _Ubuntu_ . _Hamba kakuhle_ . I don’t think your referring to a Linux os so please translate. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/6 "2021-12-26T14:40:05Z")
Ubuntu: togetherness as one people, caring about each other. There is not really an English word for it. Collective charity and love, maybe. Hamba kakuhle: go well A friend of mine had the unusual priviledge of sharing the same urinal with Tutu, at a music venue. (The wide multi-person ones) I realise even Archbishops occasionally need the loo, but that story has always amused me. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/7 "2021-12-26T14:54:53Z")
I had a very short audience with him 20 years ago. One of the highlights of my life. I wrote him a sort of fan letter when he was a visiting professor not far from me. I’m sure he didn’t read it personally, but I got a very polite letter from his secretary saying that if I came to such and such place at such and such date and time he might be able to meet with me for a short time. I confess to being completely tongue tied at the actual meeting. The man was somehow both genial and SERENE in a way that’s hard to describe. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2021, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/8 "2021-12-26T14:55:37Z")
Funny seems that sentiment applied at the urinal too, go well together ✝ ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/9 "2021-12-26T16:07:59Z")
Sad news, and a meaningful life. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/10 "2021-12-26T16:17:17Z")
He was a great man. RIP. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/11 "2021-12-26T20:58:02Z")
> **[Ubuntu philosophy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_philosophy)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > Ubuntu (Zulu pronunciation: \[ùɓúntʼù\]) is a Nguni Bantu term meaning "humanity". It is sometimes translated as "I am because we are" (also "I am because you are"), or "humanity towards others" (Zulu umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu). In Xhosa, the latter term is used, but is often meant in a more philosophical sense to mean "the belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all humanity". > Although the most popular name referring to the philosophy... ---
**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/12 "2021-12-26T23:41:54Z")
What an amazing being he was. Wise, wise, wise. The fact that the Dalai Llama was a good friend of his speaks volumes. Let us not ever forget this man and what he stood for. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2021, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/13 "2021-12-27T00:24:39Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > [OBITUARY | SA has lost its conscience and North Star Archbishop Desmond Tutu](https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2021-12-26-obituary--sa-has-lost-its-conscience-and-north-star-archbishop-desmond-tutu/) He should get a holiday. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2021, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rip-south-african-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu/956664/14 "2021-12-27T02:26:23Z")
I remember seeing a video clip of him saving the life of a man about to be killed by a mob who accused the man of collaborating with the apartheid government. A tire had been placed around his neck, doused with gasoline, and was going to be lit. Tutu plunged into the mob, shoving people aside, till he got to the intended victim. The mob could have turned on him too but did not. Talk about having guts!