# Rishi Sunak tries to lead the UK **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 24, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706 "2022-10-24T13:07:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/722 "2024-04-21T09:20:21Z")
AIUI, either someone (whether in the Commission or a disgruntled member state not included in the scheme) would have to find a way to make political difficulties in some area of EU business until they get their way, and/or look for some basis in existing treaties and EU law for a case at the European Court of Justice (I have no idea if there’d be one). I’d assume the former more likely to have a quick effect. ---
**Author:** ![UDS1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e47774/32.png) [@UDS1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS1)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/723 "2024-04-21T09:50:23Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > To be fair, that’s what I understand Starmer to be doing in relation to the EU - but anything that looks like freedom of movement isn’t on their “what we can” list. The concern is that a visa-based age-limited time-limited youth mobility scheme doesn’t look remotely like freedom of movement. If Starmer’s “what we can” excludes everything that anyone, however ignorant, claims is inconsistent with True Brexit™, then “what we can” means, basically, nothing. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/724 "2024-04-21T11:31:29Z")
> [@UDS1](#): > > If Starmer’s “what we can” excludes everything that anyone, however ignorant, claims is inconsistent with True Brexit™, then “what we can” means, basically, nothing. Once know-nothingism takes hold in a meaningfully large faction of a country, nothing sensible can be accomplished by anyone else. The ignorance and outright falsity simply pollutes and coagulates every issue. Best of luck getting through your bout of it. So far over here we’re not making any progress and are arguably losing ground at a good clip. ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/725 "2024-04-21T11:43:13Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > My apologies, pjd. No worries ! ---
**Author:** ![Oswald\_Bastable](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oswald_bastable/32/214_2.png) [@Oswald\_Bastable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oswald_Bastable)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/726 "2024-04-21T11:58:02Z")
> [@UDS1](#): > > So presumably their efforts with France etc will now be quietly buried. “And it’s all the EU’s fault!” 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/727 "2024-04-21T15:55:13Z")
The 90 days in Spain problem is pretty much what they are trying to solve, they screwed over EXACTLY their voters demographic and continue to spin them yarns on the issue and the under 30 visa wasn’t going to solve any of that (I assume they wanted reciprocation, otherwise there’s nothing needed agreeing with the UK, they offer it, and it’s up to under 30s to use it). The same tales keep coming up, and the Quitter newspapers and Expart real estate news sources keep spinning that same fantasy, that Spain will give back the right to stay (sometimes with property attachments) and the tory voters can go back to living tax free in a hot country most of the year (the tax free part is the gem they really want back). “Spain is fight the EU for expats” is pretty much the claim, they had an orgasm when one of the French parliamentary houses passed a bill which allowed over the 90 days if you own property in France. But it was attached to a much larger immigration bill, and that bill failed to get past the second house of Parliament (for whatever reasons). This brought up the “Spain is fighting for us, they can’t do without us!” crap which the likes of my Sister (a tory with a house in Spain) keeps repeating. Nobody in Spain is fighting for UK immigrants. The UK wasn’t even the largest countries population to live in Spain anymore, it’s third behind the Germans and the Dutch. Everything is fine as it is to them. 90 days work for them. It’s a fantasy repeated by the ones who lied before and keep lying again. Interestingly that demographic is visibly back in the UK now, there’s a lot more (what viz calls) BrexBoxes on the road (camper vans) and certain times of the year Spain does boom, and gets quiet at others (I think what they want back is the 6 months at a time during the UK winter), the places affected tend to the estates in the middle of nowhere with a few restaurants and Irish bars, often ran by the UK people anyway, real Spain doesn’t care. It’s narrative is part of the “the EU is falling apart, all the countries are fighting it” nonsense the kipperati have mewled about for the last ten years. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/728 "2024-04-23T11:50:56Z")
kipperati ??? ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/729 "2024-04-23T11:57:46Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > kipperati Members of UKIP, the UK Independence Party. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/730 "2024-04-23T12:29:06Z")
It’s a useful term. Meanwhile, Sunak keeps pushing forward with this Rwanda bullshit, a plan which is spectacularly cruel, cost-ineffective and nonsensical so naturally it’s the signature policy of the Conservative Party. > **[UK passes bill to send asylum seekers to Rwanda](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/22/rwanda-deportations-bill-passes-parliament-sunak)** > > Lawyers prepare for legal battles on behalf of individual asylum seekers challenging removal to east Africa ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/731 "2024-04-23T13:23:28Z")
I think the plan now is to try and lob many political hang grenades into labours lap as the tories lose the next election. ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/732 "2024-04-24T12:42:55Z")
> [@pjd](#): > > > [@Smid](#): > > > > kipperati > > Members of UKIP, the UK Independence Party. Sorry, that should have been in reply to @elbows ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/733 "2024-04-24T13:42:37Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Meanwhile, Sunak keeps pushing forward with this Rwanda bullshit, a plan which is spectacularly cruel, cost-ineffective and nonsensical so naturally it’s the signature policy of the Conservative Party. All those adjectives are correct and on top of that it makes no strategic sense. Most of the public just plain hate the plan, and/or think it’s unworkable. Even on the far right…just as Reform could claim the tories didn’t do the right “kind” of Brexit, so they’ll blame them for how expensive this has all been, and how few could be deported this way. It’s a loser any way you spin it. At least if no flights take off, the Tories can just use it as a rhetorical thing that they _tried_ to be bigots. If it actually happens then they need to actually own the mess. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/734 "2024-04-24T14:09:58Z")
My assumption is that they’re doing it because 1) one or more Tory donors will be the recipient of millions in taxpayer dollars, some of which will get kicked back to the Conservative Party, and 2) it takes attention away from all the _other_ ways in which they are horrible. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/735 "2024-04-25T17:14:16Z")
Indeed, if you want a reason why the Tories do ANYTHING, look to see who of their friends benefit, and thus where they will end up after they lose their seats. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/736 "2024-04-27T13:54:20Z")
And the rumblings continue (can’t wait for Friday morning) > **[Rishi Sunak struggling to smother frenzy of election rumours](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/26/rishi-sunak-struggling-to-smother-frenzy-of-election-rumours)** > > Speculation PM could call election to forestall possible leadership challenge has its own momentum despite No 10 dismissals _Grant Shapps_ (alias at different times Michael Green , Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox) is assumed to be a leadership contender…?! ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/737 "2024-04-28T11:28:15Z")
And the Tories lose another (one has to wonder why it took him till now) > **[Dan Poulter: Conservative MP and ex-minister defects to Labour](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68913287)** > > The doctor told the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg he could no longer look NHS colleagues and patients in the eye and stay as a Conservative. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/738 "2024-04-28T16:21:34Z")
I seem to hear something about Rishi Sunak ruining Adidas? ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/739 "2024-04-28T16:32:03Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I seem to hear something about Rishi Sunak ruining Adidas? Yeah. > **[UK’s Rishi Sunak issues ‘fulsome apology’ for ruining Adidas Sambas](https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-prime-minister-rishi-sunak-issues-apology-after-ruining-adidas-sambas-shoes/)** > > The British prime minister paired the iconic sneakers with … suit trousers and a white shirt. > The U.K. prime minister on Wednesday issued a groveling apology to Adidas Samba wearers around the world after being accused of ruining the sneaker brand for everyone. And: > [@PatrickLondon](#): > > And the Tories lose another (one has to wonder why it took him till now) There’s a headline in yesterday’s Daily Express (which I’m not going to link to because, y’know, it’s the Daily Express): > **Tory mutiny could explode in days forcing Rishi Sunak to call a snap election** - the logic being that if he doesn’t get an election scheduled damn quick, he could be ousted and replaced. I’m not sure which I would enjoy more. j ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/740 "2024-04-28T16:36:13Z")
I’m trying to think who they could replace him with that wouldn’t be even worse. The few competent people left in the party won’t want to be in charge when the inevitable electoral slaughter happens, and the ambitious idiots will only make it an even bigger rout. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706/741 "2024-04-28T16:48:46Z")
Time for Larry for PM! How much worse could he be? [![](https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/SEC_123059128-9c58.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=644%2C338) ](https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/SEC_123059128-9c58.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=644%2C338) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rishi-sunak-tries-to-lead-the-uk/973706.md?page=38)