# rjung, drag your one trick ass in here. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 17, 2003, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638 "2003-12-17T22:59:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2003, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/1 "2003-12-17T22:59:06Z")
Do you have anything to bring to the table other than your far left-wing, anti-Bush-that-family-is-the-root-of-all-evil-in-the-universe political views? I point you to [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=229385), where we have the following post from you: > [@](#): > > Is it possible that Glaspie (and the US) deliberately misled Saddam about our feelings towards a possible Kuwait invasion, because we wanted him to screw up? In other words, mislead Saddam into pissing off the international community so that we could eventually have a lever to use to justify an invasion and annexation of Iraq? > > The potential value of Iraq’s oil fields has been known for a long time, and a US-friendly Saddam would have been merely another Saudi Arabia-type arrangement, where American oil availability would be dependent on the whims of another. Easier, instead, to set up Saddam for a fall, claim Iraq as the spoils of war, and have a guaranteed supply of oil for the next 30 years. I would like everyone to take note that he wasn’t just doing a “Me too” post, he was actually the first person to attempt to blame Bush 41 for the invasion, hidden behind a “maybe” comment, which when taken with his usual posts is completely disingenuous. So, **rjung** , on to you. You post something so inane, so bizarre as to be beyond comprehension, and then you expect nobody to notice? And oh-by-the-way, it was Bush’s fault that Saddam invaded Kuwait. If you think that’s the case, PROVE IT. Don’t post some “Well, maybe, just maybe” crap and then hide behind it, prove it. Because maybe, just maybe, I slept with your girlfriend, and maybe I mean it and maybe I don’t, and any way that you respond will be wrong so I can call you a jerk too. Wee, this game is fun, isn’t it? I can play the amibguous insult game too, see? Ass. And as for me: Yes, I was a smart ass in the thread I linked to. I admit it. But you know what, all I did was expose **rjung** for what he is, and that is a disingenuous person who knows no other topic than the evilness of the entire Bush family, who is completely incapable of believing that at any point he could be wrong, and who runs around the boards posting his “Bush sucks” drive-bys every chance he gets. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2003, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/2 "2003-12-17T23:24:49Z")
Shouldda checked this one out before posting, Airman, this is one of the All-Bushs-are-the-root-of-all-evil crowd’s favorite claims, and there’s a real life incident behind it so it’s harder than most of their hogwash to debunk. Guillespie did indeed meet with Saddam before before the '91 invasion, and based upon this meeting, along with some after the fact statements from Iraqis and Guillespie ( although her statements when asked specifically about this have always been unequivical; “No, that is not what I said” ) , a theory has been crafted that we ( The U.S. ) gave Iraq a wink and a nod saying “Sure, go ahead, take Kuwait, we don’t care, we’ll leave you alone”. It rests upon about a solid a base as most of this stuff, but because it’s Genesis was a RL event, it’s a little more credable sounding than most. Personally, I’m convinced that the '91 invasion was an outpouring of premature grief over Vince Fosters coming murder, coupled with a desire to hid all of their WMD in Kuwait where the US wouldn’t look for them. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2003, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/3 "2003-12-17T23:27:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > \*\*rjung…who runs around the boards posting his “Bush sucks” drive-bys every chance he gets. \*\* Your hobby is pitting liberals. His is bitching about Bush. Everyone’s got to have one. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2003, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/4 "2003-12-17T23:28:14Z")
**Airman** , I think you read a _lot_ more into that post than was intended. The U.S. government did, at the very least, send mixed signals. \*\*rjung[/]'s theory is farfetched at best, but it is not a totally loony theory. And had we then conquered Iraq, as expected by most people, it would look very much less farfetched. I would be inclined to think there might be something to it, if I were not the type who tends not to blame anything on maliciousness and conspiracy if it can adequately be explained by stupidity and incompetence. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2003, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/5 "2003-12-17T23:38:39Z")
**TYM** , I’d ordinarily agree except for the endless and constant pattern of inane drive-by posts that he has had in the past few months. How many examples of this behavior would you like? If I show you all of them people will call me a stalker, if I give you too few you’ll ask “Is that all you have?”, so I’ll give you as many examples as you like. To clarify, I’m not disputing that Gillespie was possibly ambiguous to Saddam, I’m disputing the assertion that he did it on purpose so that 12 years later we would have enough leverage to invade Iraq. In that thread I posted the only possible scenario where that could have been true, in language that would be used by true believers of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, which despite his protestations **rjung** believes in. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2003, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/6 "2003-12-17T23:40:31Z")
Well, gee, **Airman** , Bush _does_ suck. Big time, downtown. Evil? A matter of opinion, I suppose, but there’s a whole bunch of folks dead now who wouldn’t have been. That’s pretty bad in my book. YMMV. As far as the Glaspie thing goes, his take is pretty conjectural. But about the only way he could prove his take on it would be for the parties involved to publicly admit it, which ain’t gonna happen. For my two cents, its pretty clear that Saddam didn’t get the message, whether it was sent or not. Either that, or he was _really_ stupid, which is also plausible. But in no wise was **rjung** inflammatory or mendacious, he couched his conjecture as conjecture, most likely recongnizing the impossibility of proof. Not guilty. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2003, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/7 "2003-12-17T23:41:01Z")
**rj** ’s only got one trick? Funny, that. I’ve seen a lot from him. Not even counting the velcro suit deal. ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2003, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/8 "2003-12-17T23:42:33Z")
I thought your response in the original thread was sufficient; but I am still stinging from my own recent pitting so I might be biased. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2003, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/9 "2003-12-17T23:45:35Z")
I give much less consideration to what **rjung** says, as opposed to some of our other lefty friends here, **Airman**. I invite you to do the same. The eagle does not hunt flies. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2003, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/10 "2003-12-17T23:47:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*Well, gee, **Airman** , Bush _does_ suck. Big time, downtown. Evil? A matter of opinion, I suppose, but there’s a whole bunch of folks dead now who wouldn’t have been. That’s pretty bad in my book. YMMV. > > As far as the Glaspie thing goes, his take is pretty conjectural. But about the only way he could prove his take on it would be for the parties involved to publicly admit it, which ain’t gonna happen. For my two cents, its pretty clear that Saddam didn’t get the message, whether it was sent or not. Either that, or he was _really_ stupid, which is also plausible. > > But in no wise was **rjung** inflammatory or mendacious, he couched his conjecture as conjecture, most likely recongnizing the impossibility of proof. > > Not guilty. \*\* Cool. So I have it from you that as long as I include some form of proviso I can say whatever I want with impunity? If so, thank you for the Get Out Of Jail Free card you just gave me, **elucidator**. Let’s try it out: Perhaps it IS true that Hillary Clinton murdered Vince Foster. Perhaps there are WMDs in Iraq. Maybe, just maybe, Bush is the best President we’ve ever had. See, maybe I believe that and maybe I don’t, but if you call me an asshole I’ll say I was just kidding, I wasn’t serious, and why are you being such a prick when I clearly didn’t mean what I said? I’ll have to keep this in mind for the future. Thanks, **elucidator**. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2003, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/11 "2003-12-17T23:57:03Z")
“Perhaps it IS true that Hillary Clinton murdered Vince Foster.” He gave lousy head. Some women will kill over that, you know. “Perhaps there are WMDs in Iraq.” There are now. “Maybe, just maybe, Bush is the best President we’ve ever had.” Best President of the 21st Century, so far. Might stay that way if somehow we elect Al Sharpton. Cut **rjung** some slack, he’s not such a bad sort. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/12 "2003-12-18T00:04:00Z")
Eh, if Bush wasn’t the worst “president” ever (yes, even worse than Hoover, Hayes, and Van Ruin) maybe i’d care. Though i doubt what he is quoted as saying in the OP is in anyway true. Conspiracies don’t work if they are super-ridiculously complicated. Trust me, i was one of the 873 people who killed Kennedy. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/13 "2003-12-18T00:33:52Z")
**Airman** , often it seems to me that you are a simple (i.e straightforward) man who gets annoyed whenever someone tries to make it complicated. I think you are both basically OK guys. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/14 "2003-12-18T00:36:41Z")
I’m trying to think of something to write here, and it’s just not coming to me. Being accused by **Airman Doors** of being a one-trick pony is like being accused by Steve Urkel of having a funny voice. 😉 I mean, at least I post non-political messages to non-political threads, usually in Cafe Society. But I suspect **Doors** doesn’t bother to read that forum, since there isn’t enough conservative ass-kissing to satisfy his red-white-n-blue soul. Ah, I’ve thought of something to say – **Airman Doors,** thank you for not being the first military person I ever met in my life. I’m sure that if my first exposure to a military serviceman was you, I’d be convinced they were all mindless flag-waving steroid-swilling thick-necked jingoistic zombies. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/15 "2003-12-18T00:38:35Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > [BTo clarify, I’m not disputing that Gillespie was possibly ambiguous to Saddam, I’m disputing the assertion that he did it on purpose so that 12 years later we would have enough leverage to invade Iraq._\* I don’t see that assertion anywhere; that’s why I said you’re reading too much into it. Perhaps you could take off your **rjung** -colored glasses and try reading it with a fresh mind. I’m interpreting it as being about Gulf War I. I could be wrong; if **rjung** comes along and clarifies, then I’ll know if I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/16 "2003-12-18T01:03:54Z")
One day, a Doper will rise from the ranks, and use the power of Bush Mocking to light our darkest hour. Until All are one! ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/17 "2003-12-18T01:18:56Z")
**Airman** , I can understand why this sort of thing would get on your nerves. There’re also a number of similar things that I find banal. There are now, have always been and most likely will always be terrific reasons for ripping out Presidents and other various politicians. The resources have not yet been exhausetd even for this singular one, (GWB). There is no “but.” ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/18 "2003-12-18T01:20:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\* > Trust me, i was one of the 873 people who killed Kennedy. \*\* Wow! A real live celebrity. I’m honored. ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/19 "2003-12-18T02:03:02Z")
Hmm, that body had more holes in it than we thought. ---
**Author:** ![Largo62](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Largo62](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Largo62)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/20 "2003-12-18T02:24:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rjung \* > \*\*Ah, I’ve thought of something to say – **Airman Doors,** thank you for not being the first military person I ever met in my life. I’m sure that if my first exposure to a military serviceman was you, I’d be convinced they were all mindless flag-waving steroid-swilling thick-necked jingoistic zombies. \*\* LOL! Don’t hold back now, **rjung** , tell us how you REALLY feel! 😃 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638.md?page=2)