# rjung, drag your one trick ass in here. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 17, 2003, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638 "2003-12-17T22:59:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![EvilGhandi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@EvilGhandi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilGhandi)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/41 "2003-12-18T09:04:56Z")
Hmm I posted the last before reading this: Quote da ra rjung “Directly? No. But I’ve spent most of my entire adult life designing weapons and battlefield systems to keep folks like Doors alive out there, so I know what kind of issues are involved. It wouldn’t surprise me if Airman Doors has used at least one radio, weapon, or C3I system in his career that I’ve had a hand in somewhere…” Sorry if I sounded like I felt you have never served your country. We all do what we can. ---
**Author:** ![Eternal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecb155/32.png) [@Eternal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eternal)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/42 "2003-12-18T09:13:22Z")
Don’t be fooled, all those defense contractors are only out to serve themselves, waiting for the correct time to make their bid for power and establish a government based on total enlightenment and virtuous behavior. HEADED BY AN EVIL ROBOT. ---
**Author:** ![EvilGhandi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@EvilGhandi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilGhandi)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/43 "2003-12-18T09:14:17Z")
And you of all people should know that this, “instead of taking it easy dropping bombs from 35,000 feet” Was just plain hatefull. ---
**Author:** ![WILLASS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/54ee81/32.png) [@WILLASS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WILLASS)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/44 "2003-12-18T09:27:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by EvilGhandi \* > \*\*Sorry if I sounded like I felt you have never served your country. We all do what we can. \*\* I’m really sorry if I have misunderstood you but this makes it sound like if you haven’t been involved in the military you have not served your country and therefore deserve less respect. Back to the OP I find **rjung** and **Airman Doors** to both be interesting thread posters to read, if its any consolation to either of you the appallingly bad options offered to the British voter from all parties have united the entire country. At least you both care about your political leanings…I have lost all hope, I may well run for PM as in the current climate I may well win. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/45 "2003-12-18T12:41:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by EvilGhandi \* > \*\*And you of all people should know that this, > > “instead of taking it easy dropping bombs from 35,000 feet” > > Was just plain hatefull. \*\* No, it’s not… me calling you a total idiot is being hateful. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/46 "2003-12-18T13:37:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eternal \* > \*\*Don’t be fooled, all those defense contractors are only out to serve themselves, waiting for the correct time to make their bid for power and establish a government based on total enlightenment and virtuous behavior. HEADED BY AN EVIL ROBOT. \*\* Nah, it turns out the Illuminati are behind it all. Using their black helicopters to promote their evil one-world government. I heard it on AM radio, so it must be true- right? Seriously, **Airman Doors, USAF** I think you were a bit over the top with the “one-trick pony” stuff. See the case of Pot vs Kettle, ect. Don’t make me turn the power of the all-powerful liberal media on you now. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RTA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@RTA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTA)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/47 "2003-12-18T13:58:04Z")
Hmm _stroking chin mischievously_ The USSR collapses and the US military-industrial complex is left without a bogeyman to milk. Wayward US puppet Saddam eyes Kuwait jealously. Bush I tells Saddam not to bother us about Kuwait, he invades but instead of taking care of business we install a huge military presence in Saudi Arabia of all places, said presence irritates Osama bin Laden, ObL expresses irritation with 9/11 attacks (which makes Bush I directly responsible for 9/11 - in a “butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon” sort of way) … meanwhile the military-industrial complex gets to milk its new bogeyman Saddam for over 12 years, before culminating in an orgy of destruction, profit, and the possibility of 4 more years of dynastic succession and tax breaks for the wealthiest one percent. This is fun but I think the details need more work on the blackboard. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/48 "2003-12-18T14:09:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rjung \* > \*\*Just to reiterate, so my point isn’t lost among all the smilies and one-liners – I don’t have any major hard-on for **Airman Doors** one way or another. I’m sure he’s a nice guy in real life, even though his political posts to the SDMB are only two steps shy of the mind-numbing stupidity one usually gets from folks like **Brutus.** 😃 Seems like **Doors** has a psuedo-obsession with me for some reason – maybe he needs more attention from **Ms Robyn?** – but as far as I’m concerned, that’s an issue between him and his shrink. > > Or, to paraphrase from [Gag Halfrunt,](http://yceran.org/stuff/4tag/hh.tag) “ **Airman Doors?** Eh, **Doors’** just zis guy, you know?” \*\* Uh, **rjung** , please leave me out of the discussion. Lord knows he gets enough attention from both me and Aaron. Robin ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/49 "2003-12-18T14:20:23Z")
Aaron is, of course, thier child. So wipe that smirk off your face this instant! ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/50 "2003-12-18T14:27:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > \*\*Uh, **rjung** , please leave me out of the discussion. Lord knows he gets enough attention from both me and Aaron. > > Robin \*\* Gee MsRobin, don’t you know he “didn’t really mean it”…just like he “didn’t really mean” the comments about Doors being like a “mindless flag-waving steroid-swilling thick-necked jingoistic zombie.”…and “I don’t really believe it either” about the government theory he tossed out for kicks earlier. FWIW, I don’t have a hamster, much less a dog in this fight. The kind of posters who toss out crackpot ideas or insults…and then swiftly back away with a Triumph the Insult Comic Dog-like “I keed” are really getting old with me. ---
**Author:** ![Aries28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Aries28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aries28)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/51 "2003-12-18T14:28:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > \*\*Uh, **rjung** , please leave me out of the discussion. Lord knows he gets enough attention from both me and Aaron. > > Robin \*\* Seriously! I don’t understand why anytime somebody feels the need to go up again **Airman Doors** they drag Robin into it. Enough already. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/52 "2003-12-18T14:30:02Z")
I know he’s not being serious, but at the same time **I** don’t have a dog in this fight, either. Hence my desire to stay the hell out of it. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/53 "2003-12-18T15:32:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RTA \* > \*\*Hmm _stroking chin mischievously_ > > The USSR collapses and the US military-industrial complex is left without a bogeyman to milk. Wayward US puppet Saddam eyes Kuwait jealously. Bush I tells Saddam not to bother us about Kuwait, he invades but instead of taking care of business we install a huge military presence in Saudi Arabia of all places, said presence irritates Osama bin Laden, ObL expresses irritation with 9/11 attacks (which makes Bush I directly responsible for 9/11 - in a “butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon” sort of way) … meanwhile the military-industrial complex gets to milk its new bogeyman Saddam for over 12 years, before culminating in an orgy of destruction, profit, and the possibility of 4 more years of dynastic succession and tax breaks for the wealthiest one percent. > > This is fun but I think the details need more work on the blackboard. \*\* This is excellent, but I think you need to work Reagan into it somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/54 "2003-12-18T19:12:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rjung \* > \*\*I refuse to change my name to anything as doofy as “Rodimus.” 😉 > \*\* I thought your birthname was “Rodimus Jung” … My bad!😉 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/55 "2003-12-18T19:25:22Z")
You know, I would like to see **Airman** and **rjung** meet in real life, maybe throw a few punches at one another, then go out for a beer or something. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/56 "2003-12-18T20:29:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by EvilGhandi \* > And you of all people should know that this, > > “instead of taking it easy dropping bombs from 35,000 feet” > > Was just plain hatefull. I know, but that’s the impression I’ve gotten from the Marines I’ve talked to – “We’re the ones down in the mud and the shit getting things done, while the flyboys are playing ‘Top Gun’ and thinking they’re the heroes.” I have yet to meet a Marine who’d consider any non-Marine to be an equal. Me, personally, just figure everyone does what they can to help out. But that would have broken the joke. 🙂 > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Guinastasia_ > You know, I would like to see Airman and rjung meet in real life, maybe throw a few punches at one another, then go out for a beer or something. Nah, I’m supposed to be one of those limp-wristed cowardly liberal types, remember? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/57 "2003-12-18T20:36:18Z")
Steel Cage Death Match! Sunday Sunday SUNDAY!! (I’m rooting for limpy-wristy liberal…'Course, I’m _betting_ on the other guy…) ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/58 "2003-12-18T22:46:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elf6c \* > \*\*Seriously, **Airman Doors, USAF** I think you were a bit over the top with the “one-trick pony” stuff. See the case of Pot vs Kettle, ect. Don’t make me turn the power of the all-powerful liberal media on you now. > > 😉 \*\* Well, have at it. At least one of us will have the opportunity to learn something here, since **rjung** shows no interest in doing so. Oh, and **rjung** , that rainbowing of my screenname was very clever. I get the implication, and unfortunately I can’t keep myself from rising to the bait. Just wanted to let you know that I appreciate the effort you went to, and it will be returned at my earliest convenience. Except you really didn’t mean anything by it, did you? Once again I’m getting more out of something than is really there, right?:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/59 "2003-12-18T22:55:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CarnalK \* > \*\ ***Airman** , often it seems to me that you are a simple (i.e straightforward) man who gets annoyed whenever someone tries to make it complicated. > > I think you are both basically OK guys. \*\* This deserves to be addressed. I’d say that you’re pretty dead on, on both points. I can honestly admit that I am simple, things for me tend to be black and white. I’m coming around to the gray area, but for me that’s like unlearning 25 years worth of stuff. I face everything head on, with the sincere belief that anything worth doing is worth doing 100%, and everything else is wrong-headed and stupid. So it’s safe to say that coming here has been a learning experience. I also, strangely enough, think **rjung** (and his “comrades” **elucidator** and **Reeder** , among others) are probably nice guys. But even so, one can only get clubbed over the head so many times by someone before they snap, nice guys or not. And **rjung** , of all people, had the audacity to try to renege on an absolutely inane statement, which when taken in aggregate with the rest of his stuff just put me over the edge. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638/60 "2003-12-18T23:24:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > \*\*And **rjung** , of all people, had the audacity to try to renege on an absolutely inane statement, which when taken in aggregate with the rest of his stuff just put me over the edge. \*\* Obviously, there’s something between you two that I’ve never picked up on till now. Just being Mr. Oblivious, I guess. That doesn’t really matter to me. But I’m going to defend the “inane statement”, assuming it’s still the same one as in the OP, once more. I interpret it as saying “Before the first gulf war, the U.S. was attempting to manufacture a _causus belli_ for war, in order to seize the Iraqi oil fields.” It is hardly farfetched to believe that a nation is actively trying to promote a _causus belli_ in order to sieze something that they want. I could probably litter this pages with literally hundreds of cites showing that in action. Even in our not so recent history, we’ve done it. Spanish-American War, anybody? So as far as I’m concerned, that takes the statement out of the loony category. What makes it farfetched is that I believe anyone who thinks Bush the Elder would have anything to do with such a scheme is flat out wrong. I don’t like him, I didn’t vote for him, but I have respect for him. I don’t think he would do anything of the sort, and that is why I believe **rjung** ’s statement was farfetched, and mistaken, but not looney. And I’ll leave my opinions of Bush the Younger out of this. OK, I’m done. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-drag-your-one-trick-ass-in-here/219638.md?page=4)