# RNC Official Pat Rogers: N.M. Governor ‘Dishonored’ Gen. Custer By Meeting With American Indians. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 24, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539 "2012-08-24T21:51:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/21 "2012-08-25T00:10:51Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Custard is dishonored by Custer. And they are about to go out of the food business - just this week I ate at Custard’s Last Stand. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/22 "2012-08-25T00:12:07Z")
Isn’t it time we added Republicanism to the [DSM](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disorders)? ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/23 "2012-08-25T00:16:15Z")
Please tell me this is a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/24 "2012-08-25T00:26:46Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > Please tell me this is a joke. Maybe that’s how he’ll try to spin it. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/25 "2012-08-25T00:40:48Z")
It’d be a stupid joke. Why is this regular pro forma meeting something he’d even take notice of, let alone joke about, let alone at the expense of another Republican (Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez)? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/26 "2012-08-25T00:52:40Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This was a General whose field strategy field strategy was to use noncombatants at the encampments at the Battle of the Little Big Horn. [He intended to capture women, children, the elderly or disabled to serve as hostages and human shields](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn#The_role_of_Indian_noncombatants_in_Custer.27s_strategy) > > That General Custer. Actually, it was Lieutenant Colonel Custer ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/27 "2012-08-25T00:57:46Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > Please tell me this is a joke. It was clearly meant to be a joke. Rogers didn’t intend for this to go public. It was supposed to just be a little knee-slapper he could share with his buddies - who he clearly figures enjoy a little ethnic humor as much as he does. This wasn’t a public policy statement. It’s a reflection of how some party leaders act when we’re in private. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/28 "2012-08-25T01:00:15Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > […]this seems rather hard to justify from any sane and rational perspective. > Perhaps some denizen from the parallel dimension wherein lie the enormous minds behind the current GOP can appear here and explain how this makes any sense whatsoever. Oh, sure, and then they get to be eaten first! That’s what they want! ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/29 "2012-08-25T01:08:36Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Please, go ahead and try to show equivalence on the Democratic side. Well, there’s a 7-ton bronze sculpture of Lenin in Seattle and there’s also the Cuban section of the movie [Sicko](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicko). Granted, neither of those says anything about a politician any higher than the Mayor of Seattle, but I think the modern world has more to fear from Communism than from Western expansion. I’m doubtful that the US is going to try and conquer Japan anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/30 "2012-08-25T01:10:07Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Actually, it was Lieutenant Colonel Custer You are of course correct, sir. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/31 "2012-08-25T01:17:28Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Well, there’s a 7-ton bronze sculpture of Lenin in Seattle and there’s also the Cuban section of the movie [Sicko](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicko). > > Granted, neither of those says anything about a politician any higher than the Mayor of Seattle, but I think the modern world has more to fear from Communism than from Western expansion. I’m doubtful that the US is going to try and conquer Japan anytime soon. I don’t know anything about the Lenin statue, I’ll have to research that, but Michael Moore is not in any way an official or representative of the Democratic Party. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/32 "2012-08-25T01:23:14Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I don’t know anything about the Lenin statue, I’ll have to research that, but Michael Moore is not in any way an official or representative of the Democratic Party. “Granted, neither of those says anything about a politician any higher than the Mayor of Seattle” My post is my cite. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/33 "2012-08-25T01:28:01Z")
Okay, I found some info on the Lenin statue. > **[Statue of Lenin (Seattle)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin,_Seattle)** > > The Statue of Lenin is a 16 ft (5 m) bronze statue of Russian Communist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin in the Fremont neighborhood of Seattle, Washington, United States. It was created by Bulgarian-born Slovak sculptor Emil Venkov and initially put on display in the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic in 1988, the year before the Velvet Revolution. After the dissolution of the USSR, a wave of de-Leninization brought about the fall of many monuments in the former Soviet sphere. In 1993, the statue ... Apparently, it was brought to Seattle by a private individual who saw it as a work of art in spite of what it represented (stupid, but there you go). It ended up lying in his backyard where it became part of his estate when he died. Since then, his family has been trying to sell it and in the meantime it’s been displayed on a couple of different street corners where it’s been mocked and treated ironically. The only mayor mentioned in that article is the mayor of Poprad, Czechoslovakia. Do you have a cite (other than your post) that the Mayor of Seattle was involved in any way? So, no, not much equivalence there. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/34 "2012-08-25T01:32:33Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It was clearly meant to be a joke. Rogers didn’t intend for this to go public. It was supposed to just be a little knee-slapper he could share with his buddies - who he clearly figures enjoy a little ethnic humor as much as he does. > > This wasn’t a public policy statement. It’s a reflection of how some party leaders act when we’re in private. I do wonder how many more years of stories like this we’re in for until everybody groks that the internet is not a private conversation. Even if it is one email sent to one person. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/35 "2012-08-25T02:09:06Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > The only mayor mentioned in that article is the mayor of Poprad, Czechoslovakia. Do you have a cite (other than your post) that the Mayor of Seattle was involved in any way? I misread the article and grant that your interpretation is correct. It looks like it’s only the Fremont Chamber of Commerce that has anything to do with it. [http://www.issaquahpress.com/2011/07/02/fremonts-lenin-statue-traces-journey-from-slovakia-—-and-issaquah/](http://www.issaquahpress.com/2011/07/02/fremonts-lenin-statue-traces-journey-from-slovakia-%E2%80%94-and-issaquah/) ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/36 "2012-08-25T02:19:19Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I misread the article and grant that your interpretation is correct. It looks like it’s only the Fremont Chamber of Commerce that has anything to do with it. Those damn free-enterprise communists. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/37 "2012-08-25T02:22:43Z")
Did Custer ever even **visit** New Mexico?! ---
**Author:** ![kiwimac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e19adc/32.png) [@kiwimac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kiwimac)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/38 "2012-08-25T02:35:12Z")
I thought Custer ‘retired’ as a Lieutenant-General? ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/39 "2012-08-25T02:53:13Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > :blushes and hides: You were probably thinking of [innervate](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/innervate), which means the opposite of enervate. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/40 "2012-08-25T03:39:21Z")
[hijack] > [@kiwimac](#): > > I thought Custer ‘retired’ as a Lieutenant-General? His highest brevet was Major General which he held towards the end of the Civil War (having first been brevetted all the way from Captain to BG) and also at least on one later posting when he was in charge of a larger command. For most of the last 8 years of his life, though, whenever he was only in command of the 7th he’d be serving as a LtCol and that’s as what he died. It is customary military protocol for a retired or deceased officer to be referred to (and in modern times in the case of a pensioned retiree, paid) as per the highest rank known to have been served honorably so he’d be an MG for those purposes. Custer of course never formally retired and we civilians may just as well call him General or Colonel Custer for all _he_ cares. [/hijack] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539.md?page=3)