# RNC Official Pat Rogers: N.M. Governor ‘Dishonored’ Gen. Custer By Meeting With American Indians. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 24, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539 "2012-08-24T21:51:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/41 "2012-08-25T11:33:06Z")
Just wait until he realises that Romney disrespected George Washington by meeting the British. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/42 "2012-08-25T14:29:21Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Just wait until he realises that Romney disrespected George Washington by meeting the British. But he pissed them off royally every time he opened his mouth. Very traditional, I should think. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/43 "2012-08-25T16:00:25Z")
Who was the American who told the British they should keep a picture of General Washington handy? In case of constipation, they could just look at the picture and totally shit. Of course, that’s when we were revolutionaries. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/44 "2012-08-25T16:29:59Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I misread the article and grant that your interpretation is correct. It looks like it’s only the Fremont Chamber of Commerce that has anything to do with it. > > [http://www.issaquahpress.com/2011/07/02/fremonts-lenin-statue-traces-journey-from-slovakia-—-and-issaquah/](http://www.issaquahpress.com/2011/07/02/fremonts-lenin-statue-traces-journey-from-slovakia-%E2%80%94-and-issaquah/) I think **Sage Rat** already knows this but, for those who don’t, the Chamber of Commerce is not a government organization. They also tend to be pretty right-wing although I can’t speak for the Fremont C of C. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/45 "2012-08-25T16:57:22Z")
Yeah, pretty conservative, just to the left of Calvin Coolidge. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/46 "2012-08-25T17:12:21Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I misread the article and grant that your interpretation is correct. It looks like it’s only the Fremont Chamber of Commerce that has anything to do with it. > > [http://www.issaquahpress.com/2011/07/02/fremonts-lenin-statue-traces-journey-from-slovakia-—-and-issaquah/](http://www.issaquahpress.com/2011/07/02/fremonts-lenin-statue-traces-journey-from-slovakia-%E2%80%94-and-issaquah/) Here’s a quote from the above article: > [@](#): > > “People say, ‘Hey, you’re putting up a monument to totalitarianism’ and then people go, ‘Nah, it’s not the point. The point is that art transcends politics.’ You have this kind of unique sculpture that you’re not going to see anywhere else in the country,” Eufrasio said. “It should be here. Where else are you going to see it?” > > \ > > The scowling statue is also festooned in lights for Christmas — another no-no in the officially atheist Eastern Bloc — each December during the Lenin Lighting or, as Lindsay refers to the yuletide spectacle, “the multioffensive Lenin Lighting.” The mishmash includes a radiant Star of David atop the statue as Santa Claus greets boys and girls at the base. Lenin, rather than leading to a glorious future, instead encourages peoples to patronize neighborhood merchants. > > Fremont revels in such contradictions. The neighborhood embraces the statue, often in ways to spoof Lenin and communist politics. > > The statue clutched a huge Winnie the Pooh toy for a time and, in a workers-of-the-world-unite moment, held a sign to support striking machinists. Celebrants doll up Lenin in drag queen makeup for the Fremont Fair and gay pride celebrations. > > “If you want to accuse us of being capitalists, I got it. If you want to accuse us of being irreverent, sure. If you want to accuse us of being outrageously liberal, you might have a point,” Lindsay said. “But communists?” So, you know, 180 degrees smarter than the moron Republican official, Pat Rogers. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/47 "2012-08-25T17:13:36Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Actually, it was Lieutenant Colonel Custer Also the wrong person. If they wanted to pick someone from that region, it should have been Kit Carson, who harassed, killed and rounded up them damn injuns all over the Southwest, but particularly the Navajo of NM. Also, he was married to both an Indian and to a Mexican woman. There’s so much for Republicans to choose from there, one doesn’t know where to start. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/48 "2012-08-25T18:24:39Z")
Regarding the Lenin statue, around here, Fremont describes itself as the Center of the Universe - the CC seems to be a wee bit left of the normal chambers. Fremont is also famous for its own [Rocket force](http://fremont.com/about/storyrocket-html/), a [Troll](http://fremont.com/about/fremonttroll-html/) (clutching a Volkswagen) under a bridge and an annual Solstice Parade which includes naked cyclists. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/49 "2012-08-25T19:27:42Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It was clearly meant to be a joke. Rogers didn’t intend for this to go public. It was supposed to just be a little knee-slapper he could share with his buddies - who he clearly figures enjoy a little ethnic humor as much as he does. > > This wasn’t a public policy statement. It’s a reflection of how some party leaders act when we’re in private. The email was sent to her staff. Has he been known to send “jokes” like this before? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/50 "2012-08-25T20:37:27Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It was clearly meant to be a joke. Rogers didn’t intend for this to go public. It was supposed to just be a little knee-slapper he could share with his buddies - who he clearly figures enjoy a little ethnic humor as much as he does. > > This wasn’t a public policy statement. It’s a reflection of how some party leaders act when we’re in private. If that’s the case, he’s still an idiot, only more on the magnitude of Anthony Wiener. “I’ll just send this to all my staff. Surely none of them have been nursing a grudge against me and are as loyal as my dog.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/51 "2012-08-25T20:42:15Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I know, I know, more Republican bashing; but they make it so damned easy! > > Please, go ahead and try to show equivalence on the Democratic side. Well, Democratic Congressman Hank Johnson thought if we send too many troops to Guam, the island would become [too heavy and tip over.](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001686-503544.html) And before you accept his word that it was a joke…watch the video. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/52 "2012-08-26T00:50:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Well, Democratic Congressman Hank Johnson thought if we send too many troops to Guam, the island would become [too heavy and tip over.](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001686-503544.html) > > And before you accept his word that it was a joke…watch the video. No, I know the story, and know it wasn’t a joke, and I know that he’s an idiot, but it’s garden variety idiocy, not the narrow minded bigotry that was displayed by Rogers. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/53 "2012-08-26T01:01:04Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > No, I know the story, and know it wasn’t a joke, and I know that he’s an idiot, but it’s garden variety idiocy, not the narrow minded bigotry that was displayed by Rogers. Well, I agree there’s more than a touch of bigotry in Rogers story… but I don’t agree that “garden variety” idiocy is in play when someone believes that an island (of any size) can tip over. That is championship idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/54 "2012-08-26T01:26:58Z")
So now we’re going to quibble over the phrase “garden variety”? My point is that I posted the OP mostly in response to Roger’s display of bigotry. Whether Johnson’s idiocy fits in a flower pot, or a garden, or requires a whole damned forest is beside the point. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/55 "2012-08-26T14:37:13Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > So now we’re going to quibble over the phrase “garden variety”? > > My point is that I posted the OP mostly in response to Roger’s display of bigotry. Whether Johnson’s idiocy fits in a flower pot, or a garden, or requires a whole damned forest is beside the point. Ok, fair enough. I was focused on the foolishness. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/56 "2012-08-26T17:49:26Z")
So let me understand the rules, now. Is it necessary to show bigotry against southwest Native Americans? Any Native Americans? Any racial bigotry at all? Any bigotry at all? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/57 "2012-08-26T18:06:58Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So let me understand the rules, now. Is it necessary to show bigotry against southwest Native Americans? Any Native Americans? Any racial bigotry at all? Any bigotry at all? How about monumental idiocy that displays _hatred_? My social intuition, which is not great but I suspect is greater than yours, thinks that is the crux of what an equivalency _tu quoque_ should possess here. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/58 "2012-08-26T19:14:29Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Well, Democratic Congressman Hank Johnson thought if we send too many troops to Guam, the island would become [too heavy and tip over.](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001686-503544.html) > > And before you accept his word that it was a joke…watch the video. Point of order: let’s say that everyone in this thread were to agree that these two morons were exactly equivalent and thus cancel each other out. Does that mean that you wouldn’t bring up the Guam guy as long as we didn’t bring up the Custer guy? Is that how this works? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/59 "2012-08-26T19:49:29Z")
This is your first encounter with the Counselor? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/60 "2012-08-27T01:54:04Z")
> [@Trepa\_Mayfield](#): > > Point of order: let’s say that everyone in this thread were to agree that these two morons were exactly equivalent and thus cancel each other out. Does that mean that you wouldn’t bring up the Guam guy as long as we didn’t bring up the Custer guy? Is that how this works? I have no idea. Ask the OP: > [@davidm](#): > > I know, I know, more Republican bashing; but they make it so damned easy! > > Please, go ahead and try to show equivalence on the Democratic side. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539.md?page=4)