# RNC Official Pat Rogers: N.M. Governor ‘Dishonored’ Gen. Custer By Meeting With American Indians. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 24, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539 "2012-08-24T21:51:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2012, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/61 "2012-08-27T13:42:27Z")
Counselor, the problem here is that many, many, MANY democrats and left leaning independents here and all over the Interwebs rightly shook their heads and publicly declared the Congressman in question an idiot. He revealed his inner ignorance, and was publicly excoriated for it. When a Republican Congressman or Senator does such a stunt, it is not unusual for the forces of the Right Wing to stridently attempt to point out similar incidences with the Left, claim that it was all taken out of context, or sweep it under the rug as a “private matter”. Akins recent time in the pillory is a bit of an outlier, as usually the Reps go to great lengths to avoid putting one of their own out of the fold when they expose the ignorant anti-“anything that isn’t US” that is so prevalent in the GOP these days. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/62 "2012-08-27T13:56:26Z")
All together now: “I was quoted out of context.” “I misspoke.” “I apologize if anyone was offended.” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/63 "2012-08-28T01:05:49Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > :blushes and hides: I thought it was an apple iphone autoerotic ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/64 "2012-08-28T02:15:31Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > . . . When a Republican Congressman or Senator does such a stunt, it is not unusual for the forces of the Right Wing to stridently attempt to point out similar incidences with the Left, claim that it was all taken out of context, or sweep it under the rug as a “private matter”. Akins recent time in the pillory is a bit of an outlier . . . I was listening, last week, to “The Bottom Line,” a religious-themed talk show co-hosted by Roger Marsh and David Householder, where they went to some effort to rehabilitate Akin, by saying that rape victims are “less likely” to become pregnant than women who engage in voluntary sex without contraception. They (manfully) admitted that Akin had “overstated” the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/65 "2012-08-28T13:31:16Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I was listening, last week, to “The Bottom Line,” a religious-themed talk show co-hosted by Roger Marsh and David Householder, where they went to some effort to rehabilitate Akin, by saying that rape victims are “less likely” to become pregnant than women who engage in voluntary sex without contraception. They (manfully) admitted that Akin had “overstated” the facts. ITYM: They (manfully) admitted that Akin had “overstated” the “facts”. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/66 "2012-08-28T15:11:34Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Well, Democratic Congressman Hank Johnson thought if we send too many troops to Guam, the island would become [too heavy and tip over.](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001686-503544.html) > > And before you accept his word that it was a joke…watch the video. And there was the guy who got offended at someone using the term “black holes”, and demanded that people call them “white holes”, the racist bastards. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/67 "2012-08-28T15:15:20Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > Counselor, the problem here is that many, many, MANY democrats and left leaning independents here and all over the Interwebs rightly shook their heads and publicly declared the Congressman in question an idiot. He revealed his inner ignorance, and was publicly excoriated for it. > > When a Republican Congressman or Senator does such a stunt, it is not unusual for the forces of the Right Wing to stridently attempt to point out similar incidences with the Left, claim that it was all taken out of context, or sweep it under the rug as a “private matter”. Akins recent time in the pillory is a bit of an outlier, as usually the Reps go to great lengths to avoid putting one of their own out of the fold when they expose the ignorant anti-“anything that isn’t US” that is so prevalent in the GOP these days. So you’re saying that even though the right wing reacted appropriately in this instance, we should all remember the other times, the ones where they did not, and talk about that instead? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/68 "2012-08-28T15:26:38Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Well, Democratic Congressman Hank Johnson thought if we send too many troops to Guam, the island would become [too heavy and tip over.](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001686-503544.html) > > And before you accept his word that it was a joke…watch the video. Ok, that’s one. Better hop to, you’ve got a 20+ page thread of republican stupidity to counter. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/69 "2012-08-28T16:04:24Z")
Liberal hypocrisy! There. Next? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/70 "2012-08-28T16:32:33Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So you’re saying that even though the right wing reacted appropriately in this instance, we should all remember the other times, the ones where they did not, and talk about that instead? Did the right wing act appropriately? Credit to most of the leaders: they did. But there has also been a vocal group among the right’s leaders (i.e., directors of significant political groups, representatives, etc.) that has defended Akin’s comments, suggesting that they were just a bit overstated but basically correct. Cites available if you really need them. Of course, when Hank Johnson said that Guam would tip over, there was a vocal group on the left that defended these comments as basically correct as well, because everything’s equal in politics. Cites available upon… …actually, if you’ve got a cite, I’d love to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/71 "2012-08-28T16:41:16Z")
Y’know what, lemme supply some cites. [Family Research Council](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/08/24/159985051/rep-todd-akin-gets-strong-support-from-a-pro-life-group) backs Akin. [Mike Huckabee and the head of the Missouri Baptist Convention](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/mike-huckabee-defends-todd-akin-missouri-baptist_n_1833485.html?utm_hp_ref=religion) support Akin. [Missouri Right to Life](http://www.columbiatribune.com/weblogs/between-party-lines/2012/aug/25/missouri-right-to-life-president-writes-impassione/) supports Akin. I may be wrong about Congressional support for him, and if so, I apologize for that error. Still, the condemnation is hardly universal. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/72 "2012-08-28T18:35:23Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Y’know what, lemme supply some cites. [Family Research Council](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/08/24/159985051/rep-todd-akin-gets-strong-support-from-a-pro-life-group) backs Akin. [Mike Huckabee and the head of the Missouri Baptist Convention](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/mike-huckabee-defends-todd-akin-missouri-baptist_n_1833485.html?utm_hp_ref=religion) support Akin. [Missouri Right to Life](http://www.columbiatribune.com/weblogs/between-party-lines/2012/aug/25/missouri-right-to-life-president-writes-impassione/) supports Akin. I may be wrong about Congressional support for him, and if so, I apologize for that error. Still, the condemnation is hardly universal. The support appears to be limited to right to life groups. Are they “the right?” And as I read the comments from the Family Leadership Council, they acknowledge his statement is factually wrong. They defend his general pro-life views. This would be akin to a left-wing group admitting that Guam won’t really tip over, but claiming they believe that the Congressman was joking, or that one mistake isn’t all that serious. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/73 "2012-08-28T18:42:15Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Of course, when Hank Johnson said that Guam would tip over, there was a vocal group on the left that defended these comments as basically correct as well, because everything’s equal in politics. Cites available upon… > > …actually, if you’ve got a cite, I’d love to see it. “Defended these comments as basically correct.” That’s the standard. Here’s what Connie Mackey fo the Family Research Council said about Akin’s statement: > [@](#): > > But his supporters continue to back him. NPR’s Steve Inskeep talked with Connie Mackey, the head of the pro-life Family Research Council’s political action committee. Steve asked her if the word ‘legitimate’ was the only thing that Akin got wrong. “Unfortunately no”, she said. “The statement was wrong, plain and simple.” So tell me – why do you suggest I find a left-wing group that defended Guam-tipping as basically correct, when the first cite you offered in the opposite direction was NOT “defending [Akin] as basically correct?” ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/74 "2012-08-28T19:10:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So you’re saying that even though the right wing reacted appropriately in this instance, we should all remember the other times, the ones where they did not, and talk about that instead? Yes, in fact, I do. It is laudable that a majority of the Right Wing and the establishment hacks are willing to say that Akin was “essentially wrong” or even outright wrong. But it would be nice if the Republican party would have gathered as a whole and said “The President was born in Hawaii, and we repudiate anyone who says otherwise.” Or maybe when Glenn Beck was rocking out with his “the President is part of a long term plan to destroy this country …and YOU ALL KNOW who is really behind it” schtick it would have been nice if the talking heads had said 'We know the President isn’t trying to destroy his country, and anyone implying he is is a fucking moron." But they didn’t. And it would be nice if they had. ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/75 "2012-08-28T19:34:18Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Regarding the Lenin statue, around here, Fremont describes itself as the Center of the Universe - the CC seems to be a wee bit left of the normal chambers. > > Fremont is also famous for its own [Rocket force](http://fremont.com/about/storyrocket-html/), a [Troll](http://fremont.com/about/fremonttroll-html/) (clutching a Volkswagen) under a bridge and an annual Solstice Parade which includes naked cyclists. And, of course, a “NO APS” sign at the end of your one acre plot. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/76 "2012-08-28T19:50:55Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > Yes, in fact, I do. It is laudable that a majority of the Right Wing and the establishment hacks are willing to say that Akin was “essentially wrong” or even outright wrong. > But it would be nice if the Republican party would have gathered as a whole and said “The President was born in Hawaii, and we repudiate anyone who says otherwise.” Or maybe when Glenn Beck was rocking out with his “the President is part of a long term plan to destroy this country …and YOU ALL KNOW who is really behind it” schtick it would have been nice if the talking heads had said 'We know the President isn’t trying to destroy his country, and anyone implying he is is a fucking moron." But they didn’t. > > And it would be nice if they had. It would have been nice if the Democratic party had gathered as a whole and said, “The war in Iraq was not started so that kids’ heads could be blown off for George Bush’s amusement.” But they didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/77 "2012-08-28T19:59:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > “Defended these comments as basically correct.” > > That’s the standard. > > Here’s what Connie Mackey fo the Family Research Council said about Akin’s statement: > > So tell me – why do you suggest I find a left-wing group that defended Guam-tipping as basically correct, when the first cite you offered in the opposite direction was NOT “defending [Akin] as basically correct?” I apologize; that was a bad link to my claim. [Mackey also said](http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/family-research-council-head-defends-akin-132578.html): > [@Politico](#): > > Mackey added that she’s not agreeing or disagreeing with his statement. > > “I know nothing about the science or the legal implications of his statement,” she said. “I do know politics, and I know gotcha politics when I see it.” So it looks like Mackey backed off of her earlier statement on learning about the science; good on her, I guess. As for your question about whether pro-lifers are “the right”, how is that relevant to my statement that “there has also been a vocal group among the right’s leaders” etc.? Of course the folks on the right who are defending this nonsense are pro-lifers, because it was a pro-life statement. Edit: [here’s a tweet by Bryan Fischer](http://twitter.com/BryanJFischer/statuses/237575176286507009), of American Family Association: > [@Fischer](#): > > What Akin meant by “legitimate rape:” actual forcible rape, not consensual sex that later gets called rape. Come on, people. [Supposedly](http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/todd-akin-finds-defenders-among-pro-life-groups.php) he later wrote that “physical trauma of forcible rape can interfere w/ hormonal production, conception”, although I haven’t found that tweet yet. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/78 "2012-08-29T02:12:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It would have been nice if the Democratic party had gathered as a whole and said, “The war in Iraq was not started so that kids’ heads could be blown off for George Bush’s amusement.” > > But they didn’t. Yeah, we all know that Cheney’s the one into that kind of sick shit. Shrub was only following orders… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/79 "2012-08-29T02:14:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It would have been nice if the Democratic party had gathered as a whole and said, “The war in Iraq was not started so that kids’ heads could be blown off for George Bush’s amusement.” Who said that? ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539/80 "2012-08-29T13:05:42Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It would have been nice if the Democratic party had gathered as a whole and said, “The war in Iraq was not started so that kids’ heads could be blown off for George Bush’s amusement.” > > But they didn’t. You are an intelligent person, and you are trying to poison the well here. I don’t believe at any point any congressperson stood up and insinuated that the Iraq war was started to get US soldiers killed and make Cheney and Co. richer. There HAVE been congresspeople that are members of the GOP who have insinuated that there may be reasons to question the legitimacy of BO, his citizenship, etc. You are talking about private citizens bitching on the internet. I am talking about elected representatives, and (like it or not) recognized mouthpieces of the Republican party. If someone on SNL or NPR said openly, on the air, that Mitt Romney is a racist bigot who would love to see women moved back into second class status, you can bet your shiny metal ass that the Democratic party as a whole would condemn the speaker and the words. Meanwhile, the Republicans can say things like what is said in the OP, or talk about “Second Amendment Solutions”, or imply that BO is from Kenya, or he’s a Marxist, or that the movers and shakers on the left are plotting to overthrow the country, or that the UN is taking over and is a direct threat to America. It damages the country, it makes discourse more difficult and I would love to see the GOP take steps to stop it, but it seems they are deep in the thick of it, and have no interest in shining the light of rationality and truth at any of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rnc-official-pat-rogers-n-m-governor-dishonored-gen-custer-by-meeting-with-american-indians/632539.md?page=5)