# RO: Glenn Beck compares Utøya murder victims to Hitler Youth **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 25, 2011, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311 "2011-07-25T21:12:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/21 "2011-07-26T01:20:20Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The thing is, he doesn’t even believe it. He’s a political shock jock. No one who thinks like this can legitimately say they have liberal friends, as Beck did in that USA Today piece. I’ve said it on this board many times, but I’ll say it again. If this guy thought he could make a buck by taking a dump on the American flag, you’d see his bowels moving at warp speed. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/22 "2011-07-26T01:22:02Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Do you intend your posts to read as free verse? Looks more like he’s posting from a smartphone. ---
**Author:** ![colonial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/34f0e0/32.png) [@colonial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colonial)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/23 "2011-07-26T01:54:02Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Do you intend your posts to read as free verse? No, I prefer blank verse. I write short lines beacuse I think they are easier to read, and also because I am eccentric. (The above don’t scan too well I’m afraid) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/24 "2011-07-26T01:55:43Z")
> [@colonial](#): > > I write short lines beacuse I think they are easier to read . . . You are mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/25 "2011-07-26T02:01:33Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > You are mistaken. Yeah, this isn’t a huge deal for me but since **colonial** mentioned that he (she?) actually thinks it makes an improvement in readability, I’ll concur that it actually makes the posts less readable for me. They come across choppy and fragmented. ---
**Author:** ![colonial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/34f0e0/32.png) [@colonial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colonial)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/26 "2011-07-26T02:16:53Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Yeah, this isn’t a huge deal for me but since **colonial** mentioned that he (she?) He. > [@MsWhatsit](#): > > actually thinks it makes an improvement in readability, I’ll concur that it actually makes the posts less readable for me. They come across choppy and fragmented. I believe after getting used to shorter lines they would be earlier. I recall that in SAT Verbal prep class eons ago we were taught to try to take in whole secions of a line at once, rather than read word-by-word. This seems to me to be easier with short lines, allowing you to move your eyes down only, rather than across and down as with longer lines. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/27 "2011-07-26T02:27:36Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The thing is, he doesn’t even believe it. He’s a political shock jock. Which is not unusual at all. Talk shows (both radio and TV) are mostly forms of entertainment. That’s what RO is. > [@colonial](#): > > I recall that in SAT Verbal prep class eons ago we were taught to try > to take in whole secions of a line at once… You know that that’s how all competent readers read? Why would someone NOT read like this? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/28 "2011-07-26T02:32:10Z")
> [@colonial](#): > > I believe after getting used to shorter lines they would be earlier. No, they really won’t. The problem is that, by introducing a carriage return well short of the end of the page width, you are unintentionally communicating that you intend for a full stop at that point, despite the fact that you’re often in mid-sentence. This badly disrupts the flow of your writing, and distracts from your content. Trust me on this one. You’re not the first poster to do this. It doesn’t get any easier or less distracting with time. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/29 "2011-07-26T02:34:00Z")
> [@matt\_mcl](#): > > [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8660986/Norway-shooting-Glenn-Beck-compares-dead-teenagers-to-Hitler-youth.html](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8660986/Norway-shooting-Glenn-Beck-compares-dead-teenagers-to-Hitler-youth.html) > > … > > _OH MY GOD SHUT YOUR GODDAMN MOUTH YOU HORRIBLE SWINE._ Those young people were politically aware, engaged, and passionate about their beliefs, they were learning about participation and debate, they were taking part in electoral democracy, and they were just _murdered_ for it, how dare you shit all over them! > > This whole thing has left me particularly shaken because I spent a hefty chunk of my own youth going to events like this. Those young people were murdered for doing what I did myself, what a lot of my friends and colleagues – some of whom are now among Canada’s youngest MPs in history – have done. We were trying, through the medium of electoral politics, to learn to make the world we would inherit a bit of a better place. Err, so were the Hitler Youth presumably. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/30 "2011-07-26T02:34:22Z")
The Norway rat who kliled all those people had a lot more in common with a right wing anti government type, like Timothy McVeigh, than a Nazi. ---
**Author:** ![colonial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/34f0e0/32.png) [@colonial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colonial)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/31 "2011-07-26T02:40:58Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > No, they really won’t. The problem is that, by introducing a carriage return well short of the end of the page width, you are unintentionally communicating that you intend for a full stop at that point, despite the fact that you’re often in mid-sentence. This badly disrupts the flow of your writing, and distracts from your content. > > Trust me on this one. You’re not the first poster to do this. It doesn’t get any easier or less distracting with time. What I meant was that if everyone used shorter lines everyone would get used to it. Clearly if only one member out of 1000s is different than it is difficult to impossible to get used to it. I have gotten maybe 10-15 complaints in about 10,000 posts in about seven years at 10-15 different boards, but this is the first time anyone has specified that short cr conveys full stop. That is not the case in blank verse, speaking of which. Sometimes I go to longer or full-line formatting, but being used to the other I revert. Maybe it’s time to try again. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/32 "2011-07-26T02:45:18Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > Err, so were the Hitler Youth presumably. There was nothing to debate and the expectation was not to challenge other parties in a democratic setting once they became adults in Nazi Germany, so NO. ---
**Author:** ![emcee2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emcee2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emcee2k)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/33 "2011-07-26T02:47:40Z")
> [@colonial](#): > > He. > > I believe after getting used to shorter lines they would be earlier. > > I recall that in SAT Verbal prep class eons ago we were taught to try > to take in whole secions of a line at once, rather than read word-by-word. > This seems to me to be easier with short lines, allowing you to move > your eyes down only, rather than across and down as with longer lines. It’s like reading a telegram. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/34 "2011-07-26T02:53:46Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > Err, so were the Hitler Youth presumably. Nazi Germany had electoral politics? Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/35 "2011-07-26T03:01:15Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > There was nothing to debate and the expectation was not to challenge other parties in a democratic setting once they became adults in Nazi Germany, so NO. I mean in terms of them enthusiastically thinking that through their participation they would make the world “a bit of a better place”. Also, it seems in Scandanavian politics that some views are just suppressed or marginalised - the idea of tolerant debate and open discussion is garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/36 "2011-07-26T03:03:17Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > Err, so were the Hitler Youth presumably. > [@Chen019](#): > > Also, it seems in Scandanavian politics that some views are just suppressed or marginalised - the idea of tolerant debate and open discussion is garbage. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/37 "2011-07-26T03:11:20Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > I mean in terms of them enthusiastically thinking that through their participation they would make the world “a bit of a better place”. Even that is questionable, they thought they were making the world a better place **for Germany** alone. Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, Über alles in der Welt, Germany, Germany above everything, Above everything in the world. > [@Chen019](#): > > Also, it seems in Scandanavian politics that some views are just suppressed or marginalised - the idea of tolerant debate and open discussion is garbage. As we have seen already your opinion here is not based on real history and this is just historical sour grapes. Extreme conservative views already were tried in Europe and they did not produce a better place. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/38 "2011-07-26T03:14:42Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, > Über alles in der Welt, > > Germany, Germany above everything, > Above everything in the world. Nitpick: [That song](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschland_%C3%9Cber_Alles) dates to 1841 and was an anthem of early German nationalism. The message is not that Germany should be set above other nations, but that Germans everywhere should be more loyal to Germany-as-a-whole than to their own particular principalities. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/39 "2011-07-26T03:15:33Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Even that is questionable, they thought they were making the world a better place **for Germany** alone. > > Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, > Über alles in der Welt, > > Germany, Germany above everything, > Above everything in the world. > As we have seen already your opinion here is not based on real history and this is just historical sour grapes. Extreme conservative views already were tried in Europe and they did not produce a better place. How is Norway a better place as a result of their recent immigration policies? It seems a more dangerous place for women. > [@](#): > > “The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed according to ethnic origin. Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown.Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year.Nine out of ten cases do not make it to prosecution, most of them because police do not believe the evidence is sufficient to reach a conviction.Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo’s Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising – the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments.While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo’s population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.” [http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece](http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece) Ironically, you seem to overlook that many of the people entering as a result of the immigration policies you support, have far more conservative views than the people you criticise: > [@](#): > > Interestingly you can’t even calculate a real ratio for British Muslims to the general public, not one British Muslim surveyed would admit to homosexuality being morally acceptable. [http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/admissions-of-illiberalism/](http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/admissions-of-illiberalism/) > [@](#): > > Tower Hamlets’ gay community has become a particular target of extremists. Homophobic crimes in the borough have risen by 80 per cent since 2007/8, and by 21 per cent over the last year, a period when there was a slight drop in London as a whole. > > Last year, a mob of 30 young Muslims stormed a local gay pub, the George and Dragon, beating and abusing patrons. Many customers of the pub told The Sunday Telegraph that they have been attacked and harassed by local Muslim youths. In 2008 a 20-year-old student, Oli Hemsley, was left permanently paralysed after an attack by a group of young Muslims outside the pub. Only one of his assailants has been caught and jailed. > **[Police 'covered up' violent campaign to turn London area 'Islamic'](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8570506/Police-covered-up-violent-campaign-to-turn-London-area-Islamic.html)** > > Police have been accused of “covering up” a campaign of abuse, threats and violence aimed at “Islamicising” an area of London. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311/40 "2011-07-26T03:19:56Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > How is Norway a better place as a result of their recent immigration policies? It seems a more dangerous place for women. > > [http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece](http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece) > > Ironically, you seem to overlook that many of the people entering as a result of the immigration policies you support, have far more conservative views than you do: > > [http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/admissions-of-illiberalism/](http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/admissions-of-illiberalism/) [shrug] Time was, I have no doubt, one could have cited similar statistics (assuming the existence of statistics compilation) about poor Irish or Italian immigrants in American cities. Doesn’t mean letting them in was a bad idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-glenn-beck-compares-utoya-murder-victims-to-hitler-youth/590311.md?page=3)