# RO: Man slaughters women because he can't get a girlfriend **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 5, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435 "2009-08-05T17:12:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![lavenderviolet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cdc98d/32.png) [@lavenderviolet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lavenderviolet)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/101 "2009-08-07T01:57:09Z")
> [@pbbth](#): > > I promise that you can’t hide teh crazy for very long and the second any sane woman starts being accused of fucking certain men because she owes it to the history of the black race or that you spell America with a “k” and that you are seriously considering shooting up a fitness center she will run far, far away. It is kind of like how sane men would run far, far away if after 3 dates they showed up at a woman’s house and she was trying on bridal gowns or had a collection of Ken dolls with knife wounds to the general crotchal area. While I agree he would not have gotten a “sane” woman, I absolutely do think that there are women out tehre who would have found him attractive if he had made a productive effort at meeting enough women. There are plenty of women who are messed up in the right ways that they would not have minded his particular brand of craziness. I have worked on psychiatric wards. It is fairly common for romances to bloom between patients who meet on the psych ward. Someone else has already pointed out that if he had wound up in prison that he most likely would have acquired some female admirers. While an individual woman might have standards that exclude this guy, I have no doubt that someone out there would have been interested if he had really tried to meet enough women. A socially outgoing person can find a mate even if they are stupid, ugly, and loser-ish. It’s just the **socially awkward** who keep to themselves and don’t try to meet people that end up alone. ---
**Author:** ![Kevbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e47774/32.png) [@Kevbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kevbo)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/102 "2009-08-07T02:03:57Z")
> [@EvilTOJ](#): > > Women probably dated him, saw he had some kind of Jon Arbuckle complex, and said “no thanks”. The ensuing years of rejection probably made it worse and worse, like a negative feedback loop. Pedantic controls engineer must comment: What you are discribing is positive feedback. Negative feedback is meant to be stabilizing. ---
**Author:** ![SSG\_Schwartz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SSG\_Schwartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SSG_Schwartz)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/103 "2009-08-07T03:50:38Z")
> [@Nametag](#): > > Perhaps we need a [poster](http://picasaweb.google.com/nametagger/Public#5366769315646612818)? Awesome poster, I need to get one of these!! SSG Schwartz ---
**Author:** ![mudkicker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@mudkicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mudkicker)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/104 "2009-08-07T14:39:30Z")
Ffs. It was clearly a misogynistic/gender crime, in that he selected the people he killed purely because of gender. No-one is saying _all_ men are like this, yada yada yada, but there is certainly a case to be made that the general portrayal of women in society contributes to a sense of entitlement that this killer appears to have had. He talks of being pissed off at ‘thirty million’ women who rejected him, yet, as the OP points out, seemed to have only considered ‘desirable’ women as worthy of him. But no, instead of considering this, let’s make jokes about ironing shirts and giving blowjobs. How hilarious. The term ‘testosterone poisoning’ may not be the most helpful, but the point that this man acted out of a general misogyny that is often reflected in many parts of society is clear enough, or at least up for discussion. If he had posted on his blog how he hated black people\*, and then gone and shot at a roomful of black people, just because they were black, there would be no doubt that these were racially motivated killings and to be condemned. He shoots at a roomful of women, and we get blowjob jokes. Feministing, while it can often be way over-analytical, has an interesting piece and comments on the shootings [here](http://www.feministing.com/archives/017110.html), and there is an excellent piece about gender-motivated crime by Bob Herbert in the New York Times (2006) [here](http://select.nytimes.com/2006/10/16/opinion/16herbert.html?_r=1) . [SIZE=“1”]\*He did post racist commentary, and was clearly racist as well as sexist, but the shootings were clearly gender rather than race based.[/SIZE] ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/105 "2009-08-07T14:54:25Z")
In the matter of sex and love, to appropriate a quote from Bill Munny: “Deservin’s got nothing to do with it”. Pity he did not understand this. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/106 "2009-08-07T15:07:29Z")
I suppose that you could argue that, somehow, as the recipient of the benefits of all of this oppression and portrayal of women as objects that I am somehow blind to the True Facts™. That being said my actual experience living in this culture simply does not match the whole “we suffer from testosterone poisoning and live in a culture that encourages devaluing women” paradigm evidenced in the OP. I have had constantly drilled into my that because I am a man I am somehow inherently bad, stupid and not valued. I have had woman bosses as much if not more than male bosses. As far as the media goes I see as much unrealistic dehumanizing portrayal of males and I do females. Simply stated as far as I can tell I live in a world where woman can do anything that men can do. So, was this a crime motivated by misogyny? Absolutely. I just think that the intuitive leap that the OP seems to be making is an absolute load of shit and I am getting pretty damn tired of it (in society as a whole, that is). ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/107 "2009-08-07T15:11:33Z")
> [@Claire\_Beauchamp](#): > > You want RO? I’ll give ya RO: > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/us/06shoot.html?hp](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/us/06shoot.html?hp) > > I am so sick to death of testosterone poisoning and the fact that our culture has nurtured so many men to see violence as the way to get even and (often) get out. This one has the bonus of being a guy who specifically targets women in general because he can’t get a girlfriend. This love/hate relationship with women is everywhere in male culture. When men don’t respect women, when they only see them as sexual and support objects rather than equals and companions, this outcome is almost inevitable. Note also that his diary mentions “desirable women.” I will bet that it comes out that he only went after hot babes. It’s OK for HIM to have high standards but not OK for those women to reject him because of THEIR standards. > > So, three women are dead and numerous others critically and seriously wounded, and this guy won’t have to see the lasting damage he inflicted. Way to go, dude, way to go. WTF does this have to do with what our culture has nurtured? I mean damn, I’d be completely with you if you didn’t make it some resoundingly stupid social commentary. I’m tired of this culture being poisoned by feminist man hate where they think that all men are responsible for every fucking psycho that walks off the line. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/108 "2009-08-07T15:32:18Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > No shit. After the public leaves, things loosen up considerably. Mead flows, corsets are unfastened, and nerds get laid like you wouldn’t believe. Sword-Carrying Assholes they might be, but they _get_ some. I’ve heard stories of at night the women run off into the forests and the men chase them down to catch them and have their way with them. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/109 "2009-08-07T15:35:41Z")
> [@fuzzypickles](#): > > Hey, speak for yourself! 😉 > > What weirds me out is how this whackjob manage to post a blog describing in detail what he’s about to do, and nobody bothered to rat him out. You’d think, with the level of gov’t intrusion and lack of privacy these days, _some_ agency would’ve stumbled upon this guy’s mad rantings – what are our taxes paying Homeland Security for, anyway? It tells us that your idea of what Homeland Security does is firmly rooted in fantasy land. The Government doesn’t have that kind of total surveillance. They rely on tips, the surveillance equipment is only utilized if they are ALREADY working on a case. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/110 "2009-08-07T16:48:05Z")
> [@pbbth](#): > > …just like women have to have more to offer than a nice ass and not being a succubus. You know, I’ve been racking my brain for hours now, and I just can’t figure out where you were going with that. Things Men Need In A Woman 1. Nice ass 2. Not a succubus 3. [del]Charm[/del] [del]sense of humor[/del] [del]car[/del] [del]good job[/del] [del]nose for wine[/del] [del]pulse[/del] Well, maybe a pulse. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/111 "2009-08-07T17:13:28Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > 1. [del]Charm[/del] [del]sense of humor[/del] [del]car[/del] [del]good job[/del] [del]nose for wine[/del] [del]pulse[/del] Good nose job? ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/112 "2009-08-07T18:04:55Z")
The thing most disturbing about this (aside from the horrible loss of life at the hands at this useless fuck) is the media’s breathless coverage of the story. I watched NBC Nightly News report… an almost sympathetic story of how tortured this guy was, quoting his blogs, and so on. Not a word about any of the victims. I know there’s a sensational factor regarding how this went down, but here’s another shortcut to fame for the losers out there. Blog about being a loser and mow down a room full of innocent people! ---
**Author:** ![pbbth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@pbbth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pbbth)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/113 "2009-08-07T18:10:40Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You know, I’ve been racking my brain for hours now, and I just can’t figure out where you were going with that. > > Things Men Need In A Woman > > 1. Nice ass > 2. Not a succubus > 3. [del]Charm[/del] [del]sense of humor[/del] [del]car[/del] [del]good job[/del] [del]nose for wine[/del] [del]pulse[/del] > > Well, maybe a pulse. :p:dubious: I get that it is kind of funny to joke about, but think about it for a second. You leave your office today and outside is a woman with a great ass who is a card carrying non-succubus and decide that, hey, since that is all a man needs you might as well take her home. You get to your place and have wild, passionate sex and fall asleep with her in your arms. Then at about 3 in the morning you are woken up by a “bzzz…click” sound to find that she is taking pictures of your penis while you sleep. That wouldn’t be a deal breaker? She still has a nice ass and her card declaring her a non-succubus is still there so even though she is being incredibly creepy it doesn’t matter, right? ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/114 "2009-08-07T18:23:47Z")
If he’d been Muslim, well, then this could have solved both problems at once. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/115 "2009-08-07T19:19:27Z")
> [@pbbth](#): > > :p:dubious: > > I get that it is kind of funny to joke about, but think about it for a second. Thought about it for a second and it’s \*still \*funny to joke about because… > [@pbbth](#): > > she is taking pictures of your penis while you sleep. [Paris] That’s hot! [/Paris] ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/116 "2009-08-07T19:23:53Z")
> [@pbbth](#): > > :p:dubious: > > I get that it is kind of funny to joke about, but think about it for a second. You leave your office today and outside is a woman with a great ass who is a card carrying non-succubus and decide that, hey, since that is all a man needs you might as well take her home. You get to your place and have wild, passionate sex and fall asleep with her in your arms. Then at about 3 in the morning you are woken up by a “bzzz…click” sound to find that she is taking pictures of your penis while you sleep. That wouldn’t be a deal breaker? She still has a nice ass and her card declaring her a non-succubus is still there so even though she is being incredibly creepy it doesn’t matter, right? Honestly, my penis is so gorgeous, I couldn’t really blame her. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/117 "2009-08-07T19:43:02Z")
> [@mudkicker](#): > > If he had posted on his blog how he hated black people\*, and then gone and shot at a roomful of black people, just because they were black, there would be no doubt that these were racially motivated killings and to be condemned. He shoots at a roomful of women, and we get blowjob jokes. No, if he’d done that, I wouldn’t have blamed it on our culture and how we’ve nurtured racist ideas for 400 years. I’d blame it on him having a screw loose, just like I do in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/118 "2009-08-07T19:59:37Z")
As long as she’s not using a stolen camera. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/119 "2009-08-07T20:11:00Z")
> [@pbbth](#): > > :p:dubious: > > I get that it is kind of funny to joke about, but think about it for a second. You leave your office today and outside is a woman with a great ass who is a card carrying non-succubus and decide that, hey, since that is all a man needs you might as well take her home. You get to your place and have wild, passionate sex and fall asleep with her in your arms. Then at about 3 in the morning you are woken up by a “bzzz…click” sound to find that she is taking pictures of your penis while you sleep. That wouldn’t be a deal breaker? She still has a nice ass and her card declaring her a non-succubus is still there so even though she is being incredibly creepy it doesn’t matter, right? Not really. That’s really not all high on the creepy meter actually. It sounds more like a fetish, like wearing lots of leather than anything creepy. As for the lunatic and his sexual frustration, it sounds like a good argument for legalizing and accepting prostitution to me. Maybe if he’d felt free to just buy some sex he’d just have been an obnoxious loon rather than a murderous one. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435/120 "2009-08-07T20:59:13Z")
Hmmm, except that prostitutes seem to be a traditional target for killers as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-man-slaughters-women-because-he-cant-get-a-girlfriend/505435.md?page=7)