# RO: Palestinian jailed for being Palestinian **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 21, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472 "2010-07-21T15:29:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/221 "2010-07-24T20:33:55Z")
So did you. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/222 "2010-07-24T20:45:06Z")
Oooh, burn! Except, of course, the jackals who have been spewing at me can’t get beyond the fact that I often point out dishonesty among the standard half-dozen or so hardcore anti-Israel posters on the board. They haven’t even been able to show that I’m wrong about them. But they have shown that they don’t care about that actual dishonesty. When people like Red Fury link to forged transcripts, nobody cares. Or when he names everybody in the US government whose name sounds Jewish to him, and accuses them all of potential treason for no reason other than that they’re Jewish, nobody cares. Or when lucy claims that it’s perfectly reaosnable to suspect American Jews of treason and that they might very well betray America to Israel just like communists did for International Communism, nobody says anything. When Damuri admits that he’s bigoted against Israel and automatically takes any incoming fact and tries to fit in into an anti-Israel narrative and has to fight against his bigotry, nobody cares. When people champion Jimmy Carter, nobody cares. And so on, and so on, and so on. As long as the bitches biting at my ankles can only bray angrily at me for calling out dishonesty and bigotry while they themselves can be bothered to do neither, then what the fuck should I care about their babbling? People who condone dishonesty and bigotry aren’t exactly the first people who I rush to for council when figuring out how best to challenge dishonesty and bigotry. Show me one person who takes people to task for their dishonesty and/or bigotry and/or anti-Semitism who is also gumming my ankles, and you might have a point. Otherwise all you have are a bunch of asshole arguing for why dishonesty, bigotry and racism should really be treated gently and politely and that people who don’t do so are horrible. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/223 "2010-07-24T21:05:13Z")
You haven’t pointed out any dishonesty in this thread. You’ve spluttered for three pages about how dishonest… well, pretty much everyone except you is, but you haven’t actually backed it up. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/224 "2010-07-24T21:14:47Z")
I notice that you totally dodged the substance of my point, which is that the people who try to take me to task can’t ever seem to spare a word for any of the dishonesty or blatant prejudice that gets tossed around all the time. It’s telling that you don’t care about that at all. Anyways: > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You haven’t pointed out any dishonesty in this thread. Who do you think you’re fooling (other than the crowd who condone bigotry and dishonesty but get a case of the vapors when someone else doesn’t?) Let’s start with a real blatant example: was anybody actually jailed for being a Palestinian? No? then the OP was lying. Gee, that’s one bit of dishonesty I pointed out. So, of course, that then raises the question, why it is that you don’t understand that is dishonest, or why you do and you’d claim it’s not in order to make spurious claims about me. Care to answer? After that, we can look at any of the other lies that I’ve pointed out in this thread, like Damuri’s lie that I’ve ever called him an anti-Semite, or while we’re at it his lie that I’ve called many people, at all, anti-Semites. Maybe Damuri’s lie that I do thus and such against anybody who criticizes Israel at the same time as he admits that I’m peachy with quite a few people who criticize Israel, but they don’t count since they don’t criticize Israel enough (even though his original lie was that I do thus and such every single time anybody criticizes Israel) Then maybe Amnawhatever’s lie about some “rockets” nonsense or other, i wasn’t really able to track it as apparently he just made it up out of wholecloth and wasn’t even distorting one of my positions. And so on, and so on, and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/225 "2010-07-24T21:52:07Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > So is it fraud if someone lies about being married or says “I love you” if they don’t. Yes and yes. If a man would not have slept with a woman if he had known she was married and he decides to sue, then yes, it is fraud. The only reason the “I love you” part doesn’t count as fraud is because you can’t prove that someone DOESN’T love someone else. > [@](#): > > you know damn good and well there would be no prosecution if the races were reversed. No. No, I don’t. But I guess you are an Israel expert and know every tiny detail of its legal system with relation to rape by fraud, just like Marmite Lover is an expert on Israel’s plans to attack Turkey with a full-scale nuclear assault. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/226 "2010-07-24T21:53:42Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I notice that you totally dodged the substance of my point, which is that the people who try to take me to task can’t ever seem to spare a word for any of the dishonesty or blatant prejudice that gets tossed around all the time. It’s telling that you don’t care about that at all. How much effort do people have to expend hammering dishonesty and prejudice elsewhere before they get to call you an asshole? Is there some sort of quota? Three vituperative posts against **RedFury** for every one against you? Intellectual honesty wants to know. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/227 "2010-07-24T21:57:44Z")
By the way, I don’t like this law. I think things like lying for sex should be worked out between people, not courts. But if the guy got beat up by the girl’s older brother I would have no sympathy for him, just like I would if the races were reversed. As for my earlier post, sorry; I didn’t notice there were already 5 pages. ---
**Author:** ![Quint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/76d3ee/32.png) [@Quint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quint)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/228 "2010-07-24T22:19:07Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You’re making that up too. The original charge was not “violent rape”, at all. And the “evidence” that was received was the woman’s own testimony that formed the basis of the complaint that went to the court. You’re just trying to fit the facts into your habitual anti-Israel narrative. I would like to know what you are basing this claim on. I have read several articles that say the original charge was “violent rape”, so if this is wrong I don’t think that any poster here is guilty of making that up. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/229 "2010-07-24T22:31:05Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You already pretended not to know the difference between factual claims and matters of opinion, now you’re pretending that while you were talking about my views, you weren’t actually talking about my opinions (which would be my views) but the facts that were under discussion. When did I pretend not to know the difference between factual claims and matters of opinion? [You said](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12715207&postcount=124) that I didn’t, I think because you believe my saying you post like a lunatic in these types of discussions was obviously not an opinion, but an assertion of fact, but you [never really explained why](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12715339&postcount=134) as you seemed to think it was self-evident, and instead spent most of the follow-up post complaining about other people’s posts and why you thought they were wrong. It was kind of rambling, and I confess I skimmed most of it. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Of course, your base accusation is full of shit too and I don’t cast “accusations” or whatever the fuck you were spazing out about due to mere differences of opinion. No, I’m right on this one. You are a terrible, ineffective poster when it comes to the topic of Israel. My base accusation was 100% correct, which you have been kind enough to exemplify ten times over with your subsequent posts to this thread. I don’t expect you to get this, of course – your lack of self-awareness is a big part of why you are so laughably ineffective. (Another big part is the repetitiveness of your counter-attacks: you’ve got to mix it up, man! And pace yourself: let the rhetoric build a bit before you finish off with a triumphant accusation of lying or bigotry.) ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/230 "2010-07-24T22:34:34Z")
> [@Quint](#): > > > [@FinnAgain](#): > > > > You’re making that up too. The original charge was not “violent rape”, at all. And the “evidence” that was received was the woman’s own testimony that formed the basis of the complaint that went to the court. You’re just trying to fit the facts into your habitual anti-Israel narrative. > > I would like to know what you are basing this claim on. I have read several articles that say the original charge was “violent rape”, so if this is wrong I don’t think that any poster here is guilty of making that up. According to [Haaretz](http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/jurists-say-arab-s-rape-conviction-sets-dangerous-precedent-1.303109), he was charged with rape and indecent assault. I am unclear on the details of the definition of indecent assault, but to call it “violent rape” smacks of a certain editorializing. This is indeed how many articles are characterizing it. ---
**Author:** ![Quint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/76d3ee/32.png) [@Quint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quint)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/231 "2010-07-24T23:11:55Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > > [@Quint](#): > > > > > [@FinnAgain](#): > > > > > > You’re making that up too. The original charge was not “violent rape”, at all. And the “evidence” that was received was the woman’s own testimony that formed the basis of the complaint that went to the court. You’re just trying to fit the facts into your habitual anti-Israel narrative. > > > > I would like to know what you are basing this claim on. I have read several articles that say the original charge was “violent rape”, so if this is wrong I don’t think that any poster here is guilty of making that up. > > According to [Haaretz](http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/jurists-say-arab-s-rape-conviction-sets-dangerous-precedent-1.303109), he was charged with rape and indecent assault. I am unclear on the details of the definition of indecent assault, but to call it “violent rape” smacks of a certain editorializing. This is indeed how many articles are characterizing it. I must admit that it did look like an odd charge when I read it, but I did read it in three separate articles. I thought maybe it was a unique Isreali charge. ---
**Author:** ![Cort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/77aa72/32.png) [@Cort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cort)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/232 "2010-07-24T23:35:29Z")
As of this moment, **FinnAgain** has used the word ‘bigot’ _seventy one_ times in this thread, although I may have missed some. As a public service, here is a brief list of synonyms for ‘bigot’ which will hopefully make his posts a little less tiresome. [ul] [li] Chauvinist[/li][li] Sectarian[/li][li] Partisan[/li][li] Racist[/li][li] Prejudiced[/ul][/li] **Finnagain** : Giraffe is absolutely correct when he says that you are an ineffective poster on the subject of Israel. You use the word ‘bigot’ so often that it loses all meaning. At this stage, I’d be surprised if anyone cared that you’d called them a bigot, just because the charge is levelled with such frequency. At this stage, it’s a bit like being called fat by Nicole Richie. Do yourself a favour and put down the battering ram. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/233 "2010-07-25T00:28:37Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Or like Giraffe’s little spaz fit _You_, of all people, are accusing _ **Giraffe** _ of having a “spaz fit”? I don’t know whether to :rolleyes: or :p. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/234 "2010-07-25T08:06:08Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If you know of someone in the middle east who is friendlier to U.S. interests, feel free to name them. > > Turkey, maybe, though it’s on the edge of the region. > > Or just go ahead and chortle, whatever. Why do we need them again? It was one thing when we were supporting a nation besieged on all sides by enemies that had the will and (seemed to have the) ability to destroy it. Now it is a dominant regional military power that is oppressing a minority. I know its not like we’re supporting Hussein’s Iraq or Noriega’s Panama but at least those relationships had the benefit of providing some short term global political gains. I don’t really know what purpose Israel serves in our global strategy. I don’t think that this is a necessary precondition for supporting Israel but if you want to defend Israel its going to have to be something better than “its the best we can do in the region” > [@newcomer](#): > > > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > > Perhaps there is more to this story but I would still like to hear about the particulars of the other cases where Jewish men went to jail under this law. > > > > * * * > > > > You are correct that the Israeli judicial system is respectable in most instances but as you point out in the post below, the judicial system is not immune from the societal racism against Palestinians. > > On a 1st point… > > Before providing name of the Jewish man who was prosecuted based on this law let me just state that most legal experts agree that the purpose of the law was not meant to be used for these cases of minor lies in which there is no indication or a hint of coercion or other type of authoritarian pressure. And this is where a case of a Jewish man Zvi Sliman is perfect for illustration of a true purpose of this law. In 2008 Zvi was convicted for impersonating an official in the housing ministry and promising women help and benefits in exchange for sex. So, one can find this law useful and applicable when deception is used as a vehicle of psychological pressure in a given context. > > When one examines the facts of this case and the key lie that this Palestinian man claimed to be Jewish, one cannot construe any reasonable basis for coercion or any other type of pressure that would “force” this woman to have sex with respect to her situation. > > Which means, any analysis that simply insists that he lied, i.e. did not tell truth and that led to sex act is not sufficient. One has to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the lie was a intended as an element of coercion and not simply a dishonest reply to a woman’s sexual preference. Well that’s what I meant. I didn’t know the particulars. > [@](#): > > 2nd point… > > Is this the same juidical system which approved that relatives of the alleged terrorist are as guilty as the terrorist himself? > > God, sometimes one can get a real good laugh here :rolleyes: Like I said, I was mostly talking about their high court. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > You can’t find one single post where I called you an anti-Semite. And you know it. Of course you call me an anti-Semite. You call half the people who criticize Israel anti-Semite. You may not use the word anti-Semite all the time (or even any of the time) but you are still calling them anti-Semites. This is the nitpicky sort of shit that makes people :rolleyes: at you. I’ve read people say that you used to be a thoughtful poster. WTF happened? What finally made you crack? How does it feel to know that nobody takes you seriously anymore? > [@](#): > > As for why your pattern of lying isn’t pointed out by others, I’d posit that it’s probably for the same reason that the world was up in arms over the war in Gaza and then when Lebanon used indiscriminate artillery fire on a Palestinian refugee camp nobody cared, or how every year we have memorials to Deir Yassin while nobody can quite manage to remember Hama, ever. And what reason is that? Is the board bigoted against Israel or anti-semetic in a way that makes them keep quiet as I spread lie after vicious lie about Israel? > [@](#): > > My cause is honesty and factuality. If it is then you are camoflauging it as a crusade to defend Israel. > [@](#): > > (Leave your admitted anti-Israel bigotry aside for a moment and try to answer it yourself). Why is “black people” not acceptable, but “Israel” is? Because I am usually criticizing Israel for things that it has done not things that I believe they will do because they are Jews. I am against their policies and their practices, not their people. > [@](#): > > Again, forget that it’s you saying it, and try to wonder how you’d react if I said the above. Would you be fine with it, or would you think that there was something wrong with being reflexively anti-Palestinian? Its not happening in a vaccuum. Its you dude, you’re the reason that people are OK with it. If I had said any of that about Malthus after having a debate with Malthus, then I’d be the one getting shitted on in this thread but when I say that sort of shit about you, everybody just nods their heads and thinks “well SOMEONE had to say it” > [@](#): > > Why is it that people routinely lionize people like Jimmy Carter Nobel Peace Prize, only President to make and advance towards peace in the middle east. Shit like that. > [@](#): > > Would the same people who lionize Jimmy Carter be totally fine with him if he flipped his tactics and applied them against the Palestinians instead? Why do people, _by the tens of millions_ accept anti-Israel lies? Maybe because they aren’t lies. They may overstate things sometimes but a lot of people honestly believe that there is racism against and oppression of Palestinians. If you want to dissect Jimmy Carter’s book, I am sure you can find things in there that are incorrect but you use language that assumes evil intent right out of the gate. > [@](#): > > Can you approach this honestly? I’d like to think so. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Let’s start with a real blatant example: was anybody actually jailed for being a Palestinian? No? then the OP was lying. Gee, that’s one bit of dishonesty I pointed out. The reason people don’t think that was lying is because they read the actual post and while the OP could have titled this thread some other way, in the context of his post, its not the sort of thing that would cause most people to start their response with “So the OP starts by lying about the basic facts of the issue, this is good.” You just throw that shit around without realizing that every time you use it in cases like that you undermine your own credibility. > [@Cort](#): > > As of this moment, **FinnAgain** has used the word ‘bigot’ _seventy one_ times in this thread, although I may have missed some. As a public service, here is a brief list of synonyms for ‘bigot’ which will hopefully make his posts a little less tiresome. He uses that term so that he can claim that he never accused anyone of racism or anti-semitism I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/235 "2010-07-25T08:10:42Z")
**Damuri:** Of course you call me an anti-Semite. You call half the people who criticize Israel anti-Semite. You may not use the word anti-Semite all the time (or even any of the time) but you are still calling them anti-Semites. This is the nitpicky sort of shit that makes people :rolleyes: at you. He didn’t call you an anti-semite for two reasons: If he did, you (or someone else) would start a self-righteous rant about how “semite” includes Arabs, therefore he can’t possibly be anti-semetic. The other reason is that you don’t seem to hate _all_ Jews, just the Jews who want their own country. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/236 "2010-07-25T08:19:49Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Nobel Peace Prize, only President to make and advance towards peace in the middle east. Shit like that. Noble peace prize is a freaking joke. Obama may have been making plans to do something, but he certainly has done nothing yet. I’d rather not turn this into a hijak, but neither he nor Carter deserve the prize any more than you or I do. > [@](#): > > Maybe because they aren’t lies. They may overstate things sometimes but a lot of people honestly believe that there is racism against and oppression of Palestinians. If you want to dissect Jimmy Carter’s book, I am sure you can find things in there that are incorrect but you use language that assumes evil intent right out of the gate. I’d link a list of all the balant lies Carter wrote, but I know you’ll just ignore my link, so what’s the point? > [@](#): > > The reason people don’t think that was lying is because they read the actual post and while the OP could have titled this thread some other way, in the context of his post, its not the sort of thing that would cause most people to start their response with “So the OP starts by lying about the basic facts of the issue, this is good.” I’m not answering for **Finn** , but IMO the thread title is a sort of Yellow Journalism, which is a type of dishonesty. Oh, and BTW? He was arrested for lying about being Jewish _and_ for lying about being unmarried. So I thing we should change the title to “Married Man Arrested for Lying About His Marital Status in Order to Seduce a Woman”. But that would cause much less outrage, huh? > [@Cort](#): > > As of this moment, **FinnAgain** has used the word ‘bigot’ _seventy one_ times in this thread, although I may have missed some. As a public service, here is a brief list of synonyms for ‘bigot’ which will hopefully make his posts a little less tiresome. Maybe because the term “Bigot” is deserved here? If you prefer, we could get a mod to change each use of the word to a different synonym. Would that make you happy? > [@](#): > > He uses that term so that he can claim that he never accused anyone of racism or anti-semitism I suppose. No, he uses that term because it’s the correct term to use in this situation. ---
**Author:** ![Cort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/77aa72/32.png) [@Cort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cort)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/237 "2010-07-25T08:53:25Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Maybe because the term “Bigot” is deserved here? If you prefer, we could get a mod to change each use of the word to a different synonym. Would that make you happy? Yeah, actually it would. I don’t know if the allegations are deserved and frankly, I don’t care. This is just a message board, and this is certainly the wrong sub-forum for fighting ignorance but I like a good train wreck as much as the next guy and **Finn’s** fixation on the word ‘bigot’ is tedious and weird. **Giraffe** is right. It’s not helping his case. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/238 "2010-07-25T08:56:43Z")
> [@Cort](#): > > Yeah, actually it would. I don’t know if the allegations are deserved and frankly, I don’t care. This is just a message board, and this is certainly the wrong sub-forum for fighting ignorance but I like a good train wreck as much as the next guy and **Finn’s** fixation on the word ‘bigot’ is tedious and weird. **Giraffe** is right. It’s not helping his case. So you’re saying your problem is with Finn’s word choice, not actual message? That’s a little shallow, dontcha think? Can’t you listen to what he says without obsessing over minor details in the way he says it? ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/239 "2010-07-25T09:22:54Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > According to [Haaretz](http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/jurists-say-arab-s-rape-conviction-sets-dangerous-precedent-1.303109), he was charged with rape and indecent assault. I am unclear on the details of the definition of indecent assault, but to call it “violent rape” smacks of a certain editorializing. This is indeed how many articles are characterizing it. If you take the Haaretz article at face value (assuming there weren’t other mitigating circumstances), then why was he not convicted of fraud instead of rape? According to the article: > [@](#): > > High Court Justice Elyakim Rubinstein said a conviction of rape should be imposed any time a “person does not tell the truth regarding critical matters to a reasonable woman, and as a result of misrepresentation she has sexual relations with him.” > > Rubinstein said the question was also whether an ordinary person would expect such a woman to have sex with a man without the false identity he created. > > In the past, men who misrepresented themselves in this way were convicted of fraud. > > One such case was that of Eran Ben-Avraham, who told a woman he was a neurosurgeon after which she had sex with him, and was convicted of three counts of fraud The only precedent appears to deal with coercion more than deception: > [@](#): > > In 2008, the High Court of Justice set a precedent on rape by deception, rejecting an appeal of the rape conviction by Zvi Sleiman, who impersonated a senior official in the Housing Ministry whose wife worked in the National Insurance Institute. Sleiman told women he would get them an apartment and increased NII payments if they would sleep with him. ---
**Author:** ![Cort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/77aa72/32.png) [@Cort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cort)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/240 "2010-07-25T09:26:01Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > So you’re saying your problem is with Finn’s word choice, not actual message? Yep, pretty much. > [@](#): > > That’s a little shallow, dontcha think? Can’t you listen to what he says without obsessing over minor details in the way he says it? I guess it’s a _little_ shallow, but it’s not _entirely_ shallow. Delivery matters, nearly as much as the message itself. Look back through this thread and see how many posters have parodied or otherwise criticised **Finn’s** ranty-shouty ‘bigotbigotbigotbigotbigot’ posting style. Style is important, and **Finn’s** is more memorable, for the wrong reasons, than his message. That’s why **Giraffe** is right. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472.md?page=13)