# RO: Palestinian jailed for being Palestinian **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 21, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472 "2010-07-21T15:29:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/81 "2010-07-22T13:51:05Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > The actual definition of rape is in the goddamned law, so what are you talking about if you’re not talking about the goddamned law? Come on - there are plenty of situations which people would agree on as rape, but which are not criminally defined as rape. Such as, for example, the Nebraska (?) headmaster who told female students he would ensure they did not graduate unless he screwed them (not punishable as rape under Nebraska law at the time) or the Pennsylvania 63 year old who, along with his wife, allowed a teen to stay with them so she could get out of juvie, and then told her if she did not have sex with him he would have her sent back. I would hope we would agree that both those men are rapists, despite inadequately written laws. Moreover, in many jurisdictions now there is no crime of rape, just different gradations of sexual assault. Does that mean in those jurisdictions there are no rapists, only sexual assailants? ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/82 "2010-07-22T13:55:57Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > An intelligent conversation could be had over whether this law is good, well-intended but poorly written, or completely dumb even in concept. BUT neither the law nor its application in this case is racist, or Jim Crow, or apartheid, and portraying it as such reveals more about those who claim it than it does about Israel. We simply don’t know that. This law is not racist in and of itself, but nothing in this thread has shown anything either way about its application. Sayign that Jewish men are charged under this law does not show application is not racist. To show that, you would need a situation where a Jewish man lied to a Muslim woman about his religion, and he was similarly charged. That no one has shown that doesn’t mean the law **is** applied in a racist manner, but absent that it isn’t possible to say that it is **not** so applied. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/83 "2010-07-22T14:01:02Z")
> [@villa](#): > > I would hope we would agree that both those men are rapists, Nope. They used blackmailed people into having sex, but the sex was consensual. IMHO sex has to be non-consensual for it to be rape. Then again, for what its worth, I disagree with classifying sex with a minor automatically as “statutory rape” as I believe it devalues what rape actually is. Much like your two examples do. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/84 "2010-07-22T14:08:31Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Nope. They used blackmailed people into having sex, but the sex was consensual. IMHO sex has to be non-consensual for it to be rape. From something I wrote on this: > [@](#): > > From the day of her fourteenth birthday (after which time he could no longer be charged with statutory rape in Pennsylvania), Mlinarich subjected the girl to a string of sexual assaults. When he wife was out, he insisted that the victim undress. When she refused, he “threatened to send her back to the detention home if she did not comply.” _Commonwealth v. Mlinarich_, 542 A.2d 1335, 1337 (Pa. 1988). Mlinarich twice failed to rape the victim, failing to achieve penetration, while she “experienced pain and ‘scream[ed], holler[ed]’ and cried.” _Id._ Eventually he succeeded in penetrating her, as well as forcing her to engage in oral intercourse, each time under the same threat of being sent back to the detention center. I’m glad that satisfies your definition of consensual sex. It sure as hell doesn’t satisfy mine. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/85 "2010-07-22T14:13:20Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > **Dio** , one, a Palestinian paper would have covered it. How would they have ever even known about it? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/86 "2010-07-22T14:15:42Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Good to see nothing changes with our man FinnAgain. Good to see that idiots like you will allow any dishonesty as long as it supports your anti-Israel narrative, and then you’ll get upset when called on it. Due to how very honest and honorable you are. Of course, the OP was lying, nobody was “jailed for being Palestinian”, and you know that. The OP knew that, too. But you’ll defend someone lying in order to say something negative about Israel because that’s just the kind of person you are. (Honorable, and honest, too!) ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/87 "2010-07-22T14:21:16Z")
> [@villa](#): > > From something I wrote on this: Where? In this thread? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/88 "2010-07-22T14:24:04Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Good to see that idiots like you will allow any dishonesty as long as it supports your anti-Israel narrative, and then you’ll get upset when called on it. Due to how very honest and honorable you are. > Of course, the OP was lying, nobody was “jailed for being Palestinian”, and you know that. The OP knew that, too. But you’ll defend someone lying in order to say something negative about Israel because that’s just the kind of person you are. (Honorable, and honest, too!) Mate, I haven’t even joined in the Israel part of the discussion. Just pointing out that for the umpteenth time you joined the discussion throwing around accusations of lying. At least get a fucking thesaurus and add some synonyms to the mix. And possibly a dictionary so you can look up “hyperbole”. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/89 "2010-07-22T14:24:51Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Where? In this thread? No - a journal article on rape law. I just cut and pasted rather than retyping. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/90 "2010-07-22T14:30:14Z")
> [@villa](#): > > No - a journal article on rape law. I just cut and pasted rather than retyping. So when you wrote “I’m glad that satisfies your definition of consensual sex. It sure as hell doesn’t satisfy mine.” you actually realise that what you really meant was “I don’t know if that satisfies your definition of consensual sex. It sure as hell doesn’t satisfy mine.” You see, because all I had to go on is “Such as, for example, the Nebraska (?) headmaster who told female students he would ensure they did not graduate unless he screwed them”. _That_ I do not see as rape. Add in things like trying to forcibly get his penis inside of them, then it is a different matter. Don’t get arsey if you don’t provide all the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/91 "2010-07-22T14:36:54Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Mate, I haven’t even joined in the Israel part of the discussion. There’s that honorable nature, and honesty, too! You objected to me, correctly, noting that the OP was lying when they claimed that a “Palestinian was jailed for being Palestinian.” Rather than object to such blatant dishonesty, which you wouldn’t do because you’re just one of our anti-Israel brigade, you spazzed out and tried to take me to task for, go figure, being right about the OP lying. Because you’re a partisan shill and you believe that we’re not supposed to call out anti-Israel lying (due to how honorable and honest you are). Bonus points for your new line of dishonesty, and I do hope it become standard in the We Hate Israel brigade on the Dope. First of all, of course, you’re dishonestly claiming that the fact of the OP lying is a mere “accusation”, like maybe the guy really was jailed for being a Palestinian. :rolleyes: And now if you lie about something, it’s just “hyperbole”. Funny, of course, that all your “hyperbole” ends up being anti-Israel. What’re the odds? Surely you’re not just a partisan looking to support your anti-Israel bias. Nope. We all know that you’d enthusiastically support someone who said “Israel’s security measures are justified because each and every single Palestinian man, woman and child is a terrorist bomber.” Because, I mean, that’s just hyperbole. And if you get caught in an anti-Israel lie then, why, just claim it’s “hyperbole”. It can’t fail. Of course (being that you’re so honest and honorable) I’m sure you’ve wondered why it is that your anti-Israel brigade has to resort to wild hyperbole quite so often to make your claims, but (again, due to how honest and honorable you are) you’re much more concerned with the fact that someone noticed that the OP was lying than that the OP was lying. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/92 "2010-07-22T14:37:12Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > So when you wrote “I’m glad that satisfies your definition of consensual sex. It sure as hell doesn’t satisfy mine.” you actually realise that what you really meant was “I don’t know if that satisfies your definition of consensual sex. It sure as hell doesn’t satisfy mine.” > > You see, because all I had to go on is “Such as, for example, the Nebraska (?) headmaster who told female students he would ensure they did not graduate unless he screwed them”. _That_ I do not see as rape. Add in things like trying to forcibly get his penis inside of them, then it is a different matter. > > Don’t get arsey if you don’t provide all the evidence. That was the Pennsylvania case by the way - and on rereading it was Montana not Nebraska. My bad. The thing is, though, under Pennsylvania law, that he had to force into her did not make it rape. That she didn’t tell him to stop because she was terrified of being sent back to juvie meant it could not result in a rape conviction. If she was terrified because he held a gun to her head, then the conviction would have been upheld. That’s the traditional legal view of rape by the way - that both force and absence of consent are required. My apologies for getting arsey with you. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/93 "2010-07-22T14:39:52Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Mate, I haven’t even joined in the Israel part of the discussion. > > Just pointing out that for the umpteenth time you joined the discussion throwing around accusations of lying. At least get a fucking thesaurus and add some synonyms to the mix. And possibly a dictionary so you can look up “hyperbole”. To be fair he throws in a few “dishonests” once in a while for good measure. This is how I picture a typical **FinnAgain** monologue: - Damn, I’m so liar! - Sorry, I mean hungry. - But this hamburger is absolutely bigot! - What the hell?! I meant delicious, of dishonesty. - Of course! Of _course_. Fuck, why do I keep making these liars? Ad infinitum. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/94 "2010-07-22T14:48:33Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > This is how I picture a typical **FinnAgain** monologue: Ah, a man of integrity. When people lie and are called and it, and other evince bigotry, don’t call them on lying or bigotry, get upset with the guy who notices and points it out. Obviously, the fact that many people on this board are bigoted against Israel and/or lie to support that narrative reflects very poorly on me. You’re so smart. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/95 "2010-07-22T14:56:29Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > There’s that honorable nature, and honesty, too! > You objected to me, correctly, noting that the OP was lying when they claimed that a “Palestinian was jailed for being Palestinian.” Rather than object to such blatant dishonesty, which you wouldn’t do because you’re just one of our anti-Israel brigade, you spazzed out and tried to take me to task for, go figure, being right about the OP lying. > > Because you’re a partisan shill and you believe that we’re not supposed to call out anti-Israel lying (due to how honorable and honest you are). > > Bonus points for your new line of dishonesty, and I do hope it become standard in the We Hate Israel brigade on the Dope. First of all, of course, you’re dishonestly claiming that the fact of the OP lying is a mere “accusation”, like maybe the guy really was jailed for being a Palestinian. :rolleyes: And now if you lie about something, it’s just “hyperbole”. Funny, of course, that all your “hyperbole” ends up being anti-Israel. What’re the odds? > > Surely you’re not just a partisan looking to support your anti-Israel bias. Nope. We all know that you’d enthusiastically support someone who said “Israel’s security measures are justified because each and every single Palestinian man, woman and child is a terrorist bomber.” Because, I mean, that’s just hyperbole. And if you get caught in an anti-Israel lie then, why, just claim it’s “hyperbole”. It can’t fail. > Of course (being that you’re so honest and honorable) I’m sure you’ve wondered why it is that your anti-Israel brigade has to resort to wild hyperbole quite so often to make your claims, but (again, due to how honest and honorable you are) you’re much more concerned with the fact that someone noticed that the OP was lying than that the OP was lying. Man you’ve posted more there about me being anti-Israel and a shill than I have in the whole thread. Priorities, mate! I see the title as hyperbole (remember to get a dictionary). The actual OP doesn’t mention being jailed “for being Palestinian” at all. There are no lies in the OP at all. There is simply a hyperbolic thread title. Hell, the title doesn’t even mention Israel either. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/96 "2010-07-22T14:57:31Z")
> [@villa](#): > > My apologies for getting arsey with you. Accepted. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/97 "2010-07-22T15:00:14Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Nobody said it wasn’t. It still doesn’t make it rape in this case. There are two issues raised by this case: 1. Is the law that treats fraudulently obtained sex as “rape” a bad law? I take it you think that it is. I tend to agree, it’s a bad law; too many unintended consequences. I note that this is not a particularly _Israeli_ issue, because such laws exist in other countries, too (I posted an academic article on such laws in the US). 2. Is this case on its face evidence of racism on the part of the court or of Israeli society at large? I am strongly of the opinion that, absent some sort of actual evidence that the law would not be applied if the situations were reveresed, it is clearly not. That is what the quote you cited was arguing. _Assuming the law as written_, it is not ‘racist’ on the part of the courts to enforce it where the law where the “deception” at issue involves the person’s ethnic identity - because, if a woman has a right to choose not to sleep with someone based on an accurate portrayal of their profession (the surgeon case), they equally have the same right not to sleep with someone based on an accurate portrayal of their _identity_. To claim that in the ideal world no woman would be “racist” enough to care about such matters as the ethnicity of whom they have sex with is no answer, because the test is partly subjective and depends on what the woman herself cares about - an the fact is that it is reasonable to expect that many women _do_ care about such matters (and saying so is not racist, or evidence of a racist society, but simply acknowledging reality). Does that make sense? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/98 "2010-07-22T15:02:43Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Ah, a man of integrity. > When people lie and are called and it, and other evince bigotry, don’t call them on lying or bigotry, get upset with the guy who notices and points it out. > Obviously, the fact that many people on this board are bigoted against Israel and/or lie to support that narrative reflects very poorly on me. > You’re so smart. Just for the record, I am bigoted against Israel in the same way as I am bigoted against, oooh, the British Police or al-Qaeda. When they do shit things I say they’ve done shit things. It isn’t my fault that Israel has been doing a lot of shit things recently. The last time we discussed this I was very, very clear with my views regarding the Middle East. I was clear that I think both sides are wrong and they have both done some very, very shitty things. I don’t support either. Yet in your mind, because I don’t accept without question everything Israel does and have been known to criticise them I must somehow be anti-Israel, a bigot, a shill and no doubt an anti-Semite. That says much more about you than it does about me. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/99 "2010-07-22T15:12:30Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Yet in your mind, because I don’t accept without question everything Israel does and have been known to criticise them I must somehow be anti-Israel, a bigot, a shill and no doubt an anti-Semite. > > That says much more about you than it does about me. Actually what it says is that, predictably, you’ve decided to start lying, no doubt as part of a bit of your standard trolling so that now you can clutch at your wounded breast and moan about how very unfair it is that I’ve pointed out that you’re lying. It’s a neat trick, and an admitted pedophile like you would probably get upset about someone deliberately crafting dishonest accusations in order to get upset that they’re called a liar. Why, I bet that now you’ll say I’m lying and that you aren’t really a pedophile. Predictable. Rather obviously, you’re just making shit up. Nobody on this board accepts everything Israel does without question. Most likely, nobody in the world does either. But that’s one of your pack of jackals’ standard lies when it comes to this topic, anybody who doesn’t demonize Israel properly must, of course, support everything they do always. Just like your “Oh please oh please oh please call me an anti-Semite!” idiocy. Just like I’ve criticized Israel, Malthus has criticized Israel, DSeid has criticized Israel, Jack has criticized Israel, Captain Amazing has criticized Israel… and, lo and behold, none of them are bigots, or dishonest, or shilling for an agenda. Go figure. > [@amanset](#): > > The actual OP doesn’t mention being jailed “for being Palestinian” at all. There are no lies in the OP at all. There is simply a hyperbolic thread title. > Hell, the title doesn’t even mention Israel either. Yeah, that’s the kind of habitual dishonesty that I’m talking about, thanks for the object lesson. “Why, the OP wasn’t even about Israel and sure the very first thing that the OP says and that everybody sees is the lie that a Palestinian man was jailed for simply being a Palestinian, but it was in the title not in the OP, and it’s a lie that supports my hatred of Israel, so it’s cool!” > [@amanset](#): > > me being anti-Israel and a shill Why don’t you go start another ATMB thread where you whine about how I’m allow to insult you in the Pit? Of course, you _are_ an anti-Israel shill and you _are_ objecting to someone being called for for lying because that lie supports your anti-Israel bias. > [@amanset](#): > > I see the title as hyperbole Yes, as already noted, you are a partisan shill without a shred of personal honor or honesty when it comes to your hatred of Israel. Of course a blatant lie is mere “hyperbole”, a word whose definition you rather obviously don’t know despite your babble about dictionaries. And, of course, as you’re just a partisan whore, you’d be up in arms if someone claimed that Israel is totally justified since all Palestinians are terrorists. You’re just a shill who’ll support one set of lies as “hyperbole” and another as something you just won’t stand for (because it doesn’t support the narrative you’re shilling for, natch). ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/100 "2010-07-22T15:15:11Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Yeah the naturalization law is highly criticized too. I’m not saying all Israelis are bigots I’m saying the society has institutionalized racism against Palestinians. You don’t think that there were South Africans that criticized apartheid? There may well be cases of unjust laws with institutionalized racist intent or effect in Israel - but this particular case is not one of them. > [@](#): > > and in all likelihood of people like you were writing and enforcing Israel’s laws, I would have no reason to compare it to South Africa. That’s very complementary. 🙂 > [@](#): > > But it is criminal in Israel and the law is being applied to this particular case. And in this particular case, there is no evidence of racism. > [@](#): > > And if it enforced in a racist manner then it would be racist. True, but this case alone is not sufficient evidence that it is enforced in a racist manner. > [@](#): > > Perhaps this guy is full of shit but if he is then why is there so much criticism of this case in Israel? For the same reason there is here - because it appears, to the uninformed who have not actually thought about it, to be discriminatory. Just look at this very thread title: “Palestinan jailed fir being Palestinian”. Naturally, this invokes anger (also in the title: “RO” = “recreational Outrage”). > [@](#): > > Yeah but he has some idea of the purpose and prosecution of the laws in Israel. But what he’s saying isn’t “racist”, it is simply an acknowledgement of reality: the same would be true here in Canada - many Jewish women would be upset if they found out that their lovers were lying about being Jewish just to screw them. > [@](#): > > Do you think that the Jewish guy calling himself Omar in a Palestinian bar would have been the first guy that they prosecuted for this sort of thing? I have no idea. To assume facts not in evidence as proof of racism just demonstrates that the actual facts in evidence are _not_ proof of racism. > [@](#): > > I agree that the high court does its best to be as fair as possible but they can only be as just as the laws they interpret. If the laws allow for institutionalized prejudice then the high court must do so as well. I have nothing but respect for Jewish legal scholarship (not all Jewish legal scholars but the scholarship, it comes from millenia of tradition of thinking about the law and our legal tradition has incorporated much of that). But, as I’ve pointed out, there is nothing about this law that facilitates “institutionalized prejudice”. Certainly, if the law was applied in an unjust manner, that would be evidence of prejudice in the system. But that has nothing to do with the law. If for example only Blacks are ever charged with murder and never Whites, the system is racist - but that doesn’t mean the law against murder is racist. We only have a single case of someone being charged with this sort of rape for identity - that simply is not evidence of institutionalized racism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472.md?page=6)