# RO: Palestinian jailed for being Palestinian **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 21, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472 "2010-07-21T15:29:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 292
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472/292 "2010-07-27T03:57:29Z")
> [@Ionizer](#): > > I can’t keep up with all the shit in all the pages, but one aspect I think hasn’t been addressed is the extent to which Kashur went to ‘convince’ the woman he was Jewish. The accounts differ depending on who you ask. He makes it sound like it was confusion on the woman’s part, she makes it sound like he explicitly said that he was an eligible Jewish bachelor (judging from the picture I saw of him, it wasn’t because he was so good looking) in an attempt to have sex with her. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > …But of course people won’t mind, because it’s the ‘proper’ target. … > Just like you’ve all been going bonkers over correct accusations of misbehavior (rather than the misbehavior itself, which you couldn’t care less about), as long as that misbehavior directed at the ‘right’ target. … > > > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > > OR it is possible to call someone an anti-semite without using the word anti-semite. > > You invented it and can’t back it up. Not only have I never said you’re an anti-Semite, but I’ve never said anything equivalent to it. Ever. Not once. You’d quote it if I had rather than inventing a quote that has nothing to do with anything I’ve ever said, anywhere, at all. So in the first sentence, I would say you are accusing “people” of antisemitism. In the second sentence, I would say that you accuse Ionizer of anti-semitism. If you are not accusing “people” and Ionizer of anti-semitism then what are you doing when you imply that some things seem to be acceptable as long as the targets are the “right people”? Now this doesn’t prove that you ever leveled these sort of veiled accusations at me but… > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I’m not going to dig for examples Because this idiocy already takes up too much of my time. I made that mistake in my first “debate” with you. I ended up spending hours looking up old posts to prove my point to you until I realized how futile it was. > [@](#): > > No, it didn’t really change the direction of the conversation, as people were continually claiming that it was illegal, that it wasn’t allowed in international waters, that it was piracy, etc, etc, etc. I remember having to correct people maybe 3 or 4 times after which people stopped bringing it up. Maybe that’s the problem. You don’t realize that sometimes repetition is necessary on these message boards because it is really easy to gloss over a post unless you are paying a LOT of attention to what everyone else says. I know that I miss stuff sometimes and when I do people remind me of the facts again. Perhaps you might remember that when you reply with posts saying “I already proved that some time ago so there is no need to mention it again” on page 8 of some thread. Would it kill you to actually state the facts again? > [@](#): > > > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > > Then why is it being criticized so heavily inside Israel? Is there actually more recognition of the problems in Israeli society by Israelis than there are by Zionists in Texas? > > Oh FFS… it’s getting a lot of controversy in Israel because there are lots of divergent opinions. Of course you’re assuming that, gee, maybe that’s proof that Israel is bad and racist and blah blah. I think the opposite. As much as I dislike the teabaggers I think the teabaggers are a pretty good indicator that we live in a democracy. Why is it that almost everyone (including the Israel apologists) will admit that there is at least some problems with Israel but you cannot seem to bring yourself to admit even that much. > [@Malthus](#): > > > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > > Then why is it being criticized so heavily inside Israel? Is there actually more recognition of the problems in Israeli society by Israelis than there are by Zionists in Texas? > > For exactly the same reason. Plenty of folks _in_ Israel are heavily critical of Israeli society (that is, in fact, one of the attractive points of that country). Those who are already critical, are going to be predisposed to viewing this matter in that light. > > It is IMHO a big mistake to view lots of internal criticism of a society as proof that the society is, in fact, objectively more worthy of criticism. The most ominous societies lack internal criticism. As a critic of Israel, I wouldn’t want to hang my hat on this incidence as the smoking gun. In light of [Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_and_Entry_into_Israel_Law) it is difficult for me to approach this case without a jaundiced eye. [quote=“Malthus, post:288, topic:547472”] In this case the guy is appealing the verdict - but not on the basis he didn’t lie. He’s appealing on the basis that the punishment for lying is too harsh. [http://www.torontosun.com/news/weird/2010/07/23/14807736.html](http://www.torontosun.com/news/weird/2010/07/23/14807736.html) [quote] He was sentenced to 18 months in jail, but his lawyer, Adnan Aladdin, said that’s too much. … > [@](#): > > Kashour said he feels bad about what he did, but is reeling from what he considers the unfairness of the punishment. Well, that sounds like an admission of actual guilt to me rather than one of those “I’ll plead guilty to get a lighter sentence because I know this kangaroo court is going to convict me whether or not I did it” sort of guilty pleas. I will note two things: Some people still seem to think the law is being applied with prejudice (but I think its iffy either way). His lawyer’s name is Aladdin? I don’t think I’ve ever seen that name IRL before. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-palestinian-jailed-for-being-palestinian/547472)._